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Re: 2010 Draft Discussion
« Reply #210 on: February 02, 2010, 01:38:35 PM »
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I think its important not to overreact to a bad game. Iupati had a great week of practice and was dominate during the season for Idaho. He didn't play well in the game which was surprising to many including myself. Iupati performance does raise a few questions in my mind as to why he was dominate during the week but struggled in game, but not so much that if the situation were right I wouldn't take him with the second first round pick.


I agree on the not overreacting part, but I have my concerns about iupati.  He did dominate at Idaho, against a bunch of scrubs most of the time.  He also did well in practice but only at LG.  In the game he struggled big time at RG and while he played well overall at LG, he got beat by Geno Atkins on that side more than once.  I'm not saying the guy isn't talented and he's obviously the best OG in the draft.  I just would be cautious about using a first round pick on a Guard period, never mind a guy who struggled once he had to face a higher caliber of competition.  I don't think he'll be an option anyway as McCloughan does not put that kind of value on a Guard from what he's done in the past.

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When it comes to Graham its not quite as easy to determine. I am not saying I don't like him as a player, I think its more of what you would have to invest to get him. Right now its very unlikely he makes it into the 2nd round. I'd like to think if you were going to invest a mid 1st round pick in that position you would get a more prototypical OLB type, someone in the Merriman/Ware type mold. My assessment of Graham is far from over, this has sparked me to making sure to catch a couple Michigan games to see a little more from him
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To borrow from Mayock: "He's not body beautiful" by any means.  What he is though is a damn good football player.  As I said, I've gone back and watched everything I could on the guy, and he plays the same way every game, every snap.  A big ball of energy, and the bonus is, he is as good or better against the run as he is a pass rusher.  This kid plays leverage like you wouldn't believe.  I'd have  no problem using one of the two firsts on him.  Yeah he's not as tall and chiseled as a Ware or a Merriman, but I think he can be just as effective if used properly.
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Didn't anyone of you who watched the game see a QB you liked?


No, to be quite honest I didn't.  What I saw were some fringe NFL caliber players who all have a ton of drawbacks from size, to system, to how they throw the ball.  The two best in the game were Lefevour and Robinson, but neither one is starting caliber imo.  This game is made for the QB's to excel because the defenses are generic and can't blitz, yet nobody stood out as a big time prospect to me.  LeFevour is intriguing due to his mobility, but I wasn't all that impressed with his arm or accuracy for most of the week.

Tebow?  I'm not for or against Tebow and his beliefs have nothing to do with how he plays football anyway.  The fact is however, the scholarship is over.  He's no longer playing with amazing talent that is better than what he faces and it showed this past week.  As a QB Tebow is pretty average as a passer, and far behind in understanding of how the position is played in the pros.  I have serious doubts he'll be successful at the NFL level simply because what made him special in College, does not translate to the pros.  He's not going to be throwing jump passes in the NFL or running over people like he did at Florida.  He won't have 7 seconds in the pocket to wait until his receiver comes open and then deliver the ball with that long arching throwing motion of his.  What really stood out to me more than anything though, was how slow he looked running the football which is his best asset, at least in College.  If you get past the hype what you have is a big strong kid, with an average arm, and average speed, who really doesn't know how to play QB the way he's going to need to play it.  He's going to need a ton of Coaching and even then, I'm not sure he'll be anything more than a Kordell Stewart type of player.
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« Reply #211 on: February 02, 2010, 02:13:37 PM »
WCG: Iupati did dominate against weaker competition during the season but your right that should be expected. I'd like not to make excuses for the kid but it seemed like he was moved around to 4 of the 5 positions during the week. I think it may have been a case overload but who knows?. I'd agree I really doubt Scot considers him at 16/17, I guess my point is if it were me and the draft fell in a certain way I wouldn't have a huge problem having to take him and living with him being an All-Pro G. He has the tools and one bad game doesn't overly concern me in his ability to develop those tools.

As for Graham I caught today the Illinois- Michigan game from this year. Michigan was just starting on its downward spiral and although Graham was one of the better defenders on the Michigan defense that also isn't saying much. Graham did show his high motor but far to often he was caught out of position or was getting washed out of the play from over pursing the ball carrier.  He did totally embarrass the Illinois freshman RT on one play but for the most part was a non-factor in the blow out. ESPN360 also has the Ohio State Michigan game and I'd like to see how he does in the biggest game of the year for them.
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« Reply #212 on: February 02, 2010, 02:32:31 PM »
Thanks for the analysis. You guys spend way too much time on this. You know that, don't you?

Really doesn't sound encouraging about the QBs. Right now I would say T and S makes the most sense for the first round picks.
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« Reply #213 on: February 02, 2010, 02:41:02 PM »
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WCG: Iupati did dominate against weaker competition during the season but your right that should be expected. I'd like not to make excuses for the kid but it seemed like he was moved around to 4 of the 5 positions during the week. I think it may have been a case overload but who knows?. I'd agree I really doubt Scot considers him at 16/17, I guess my point is if it were me and the draft fell in a certain way I wouldn't have a huge problem having to take him and living with him being an All-Pro G. He has the tools and one bad game doesn't overly concern me in his ability to develop those tools.


Fair point ntodd.  You may be right on the fact his head was swimming from being moved around so much.  I have no doubt he'll become a good OG, but the question becomes is that worth the pick we'd use instead of taking a OT or a skill position player?  If only we could see the future.

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As for Graham I caught today the Illinois- Michigan game from this year. Michigan was just starting on its downward spiral and although Graham was one of the better defenders on the Michigan defense that also isn't saying much. Graham did show his high motor but far to often he was caught out of position or was getting washed out of the play from over pursing the ball carrier. He did totally embarrass the Illinois freshman RT on one play but for the most part was a non-factor in the blow out. ESPN360 also has the Ohio State Michigan game and I'd like to see how he does in the biggest game of the year for them.

That's one of the reasons I wanted to see how well he did at the Sr. Bowl.  When you are part of a bad defense, it's tough to shine all the time, and he did shine a lot of the time.  I just love the intangibles with this kid.  Loves the game, non stop motor and wants to be Coached up.  Add that to his natural ability and you have a player I'd use a 1st rounder on if the situation warranted it.
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Thanks for the analysis. You guys spend way too much time on this. You know that, don't you?

Really doesn't sound encouraging about the QBs. Right now I would say T and S makes the most sense for the first round picks.


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« Reply #214 on: February 03, 2010, 04:50:02 AM »
Quote from: westcoastguy on February 02, 2010, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: hojer49 on February 02, 2010, 02:32:31 PM
Thanks for the analysis. You guys spend way too much time on this. You know that, don't you?
Really doesn't sound encouraging about the QBs. Right now I would say T and S makes the most sense for the first round picks.
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Yeah no kidding. I enjoy the off-season/ draft season as much as I do the actual season. I love the strategy and the whole process is just intriguing to me. Draft weekend is literally like Christmas for me. Speaking of which I am very disappointed in how they are changing it to a Thursday night, Friday night and Sat ordeal. For a guy who must catch every single second of the draft it kills me that they are starting the draft at the times they are. I at least am in the central time zone while the the ppl on the west coast really get hosed considering its starts at 4:30 on Thursday and 3:30 on Friday for many of you guys. I loved the idea of the draft being an all weekend type thing I would order a couple pizza's, wings and get a 12 back of beer and pop and sit and just soak it all in. Looks like I am going to have suck it up and buy more pizza and maybe a little less beer.
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« Reply #215 on: February 03, 2010, 06:23:04 AM »
I would say screw it buy more beer/less pizza and take a sick day! Tongue

Seriously, appreciate your input this time of year Todd. Smiley
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« Reply #216 on: February 03, 2010, 06:32:57 AM »
Quote from: D-roc on February 03, 2010, 06:23:04 AM
I would say screw it buy more beer/less pizza and take a sick day! Tongue

Seriously, appreciate your input this time of year Todd. Smiley

That would work if the business could function without me and since it can't it would cost me much more than a day's wage. But I appreciate the input!
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« Reply #217 on: February 03, 2010, 11:25:36 AM »
Living in Europe the new schedule is fine for me TV-wise but I agree that making it a three day event and starting so early Saturday morning is just stupid.

 
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« Reply #218 on: February 03, 2010, 11:49:41 AM »
I will be taking a couple of days off from work that week, I predict.
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« Reply #219 on: February 03, 2010, 07:26:12 PM »
Quote from Myron Rolle:

"Sometimes, my responsibilities at Florida State limited me to one certain coverage or one certain responsibility. Here at the Senior Bowl, we're having opportunities to cover deep third. We're having opportunities to come down by the box and play in run support as well as play in curl/flat and cover three. I'm having an opportunity to show the breadth of my skills"
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Quote from: commoncents on February 03, 2010, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from Myron Rolle:

"Sometimes, my responsibilities at Florida State limited me to one certain coverage or one certain responsibility. Here at the Senior Bowl, we're having opportunities to cover deep third. We're having opportunities to come down by the box and play in run support as well as play in curl/flat and cover three. I'm having an opportunity to show the breadth of my skills"

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« Reply #222 on: February 05, 2010, 06:55:52 AM »
Lets get some solid targets for the first few rounds. I have been racking my brain to find a way to capitalize on the value at certain point in the draft. And so far this is the best I can come up with .

13th pick: I think this pick is about as sure for a T as any of the picks, I'd like to think Scot would be happy between Anthony Davis, Bulaga and Trent Williams. My gut says right now one of these guys will be around at the 13th pick. I'd say of the three Davis has the highest ceiling but also has by far the highest bust potential between all of them, he reminds me of a Mike Williams or a Lenard Davis type player only he seems to have better feet and maybe a little less power. A real big guy with good feet, but does he have the motivation to be great? Trent Williams reminds many of Jammal Brown who was a stud RT but when he struggled when he moved to LT his senior year. A few will point out that if Trent Williams is taken with this pick it would mean last years trade was a failure, I disagree. Williams is a much better prospect than Loadholt, and although we won't know if he will be as good of a player, if you compared them as prospects its not even close. Bulaga is the guy I personally like the most, he doesn't have the ceiling Davis does but I don't see near the floor. A lot of people are saying they think he is a Marc Columbo type player, I'd agree. Bulaga is a very good run blocker but still needs to be helped with his pass pro. He did struggled at times this past year, the game that most mention in particular is the Michigan game when he had a tough time with Brandon Graham (I will get to him later) In his defense it was one of the first games back from his thyroid condition and looked a little rusty. I'd say if there is a question about his ability to handle top end pass rushers watch the Iowa-GT game and see what he did to Derrick Morgan who is a higher ranked prospect in comparison to Brandon Graham.

16/17 pick: I have been going back and forth the last few days between two guys right now. The first being Earl Thomas and just recently I have been considering Graham. Earl Thomas has been on my radar for awhile he is a smaller guy in the mold of a Reggie Nelson for the Jags but shows flashes of being a Troy Polamalu/Bob sanders type player. The knock on him is his size and the fact he is only a red-shirt soph which mean he is a younger guy that might not be able to contribute a ton right away. I want to catch a few other games of his so I can get a little better idea of what he is. Here is a solid highlight video of Thomas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrjr5HG_ck

Brandon Graham is someone I have only started to consider. I caught the Mich-Illinois game and wasn't blown away with him in this game. I have just started the break down of the OSU-Michigan game and would really like to see how he shows up in BIG games. I went to youtube and watched a few others and saw similar things that I liked and the same things I didn't. I think you can sum it up in that he is a high motor guy most of the time but does have moments that he seems to give up if he was out of the play. I do like his ability to play the run, I can't remember a tweener type like him that is as tough against the run which obviously will help him be and every down player. I do think he at times is slow to get off the ball. I can count at least half dozen times he was the last of the 4 DL off the ball, now his explosion and speed at times can make up that difference in the college game and in fact in a couple plays he was able to out technique the guy and still make the play, that's something he will need to fix to be an elite guy at the next level. I think he is a viable option for the Niners at this point. I am not so sure Scot will go this direction because he seems very content going with what they have at OLB the past few years but I do think you can NEVER have too many guys to rush the passer. Here is a good look at Graham. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYkgFvVyZ7w

2nd round pick: In my mind this picks value really should determine what they do with the 16/17th pick. If Scot feels they can get a solid pass rusher in the 2nd then I go Thomas first if they feel a better value is S here then I go Graham with the second 1st. I personally think a lot of the pass rushers the Niners may like will be gone by this point so I have been focusing in on Chad Jones from LSU. The best way I can describe him is he is Taylor Mays light. He isn't quite as big or as fast but he is still a 230 lb heavy hitter who seems to have much better range and ball skills. I have caught the LSU-Washington game and he was pretty solid in that game. I'd say he needs to work on his angles in getting to the ball carrier. I also saw this in the LSU-Ol' Miss game where McCluster just flat out burned him on one of the first plays. A good tape to watch is the Penn State-LSU bowl game, he really showed an ability to be solid in run support. I think he would be a real nice SS prospect that has the ability to play FS if need be. We know Scot likes players from the SEC and I think he makes a lot of sense. A couple things that may throw a wrench in this is we don't know how high the team is on Reggie Smith, if they really think he can be a solid S prospect then I think they look at a different direction maybe a G like John Jerry (who I have been very impressed with so far)or ILB is Spikes is still around.

3rd round pick: I would be going crazy if McCluster is still around. I doubt he will. I think as of right now there is a better chance other potential PR/KR guys would be available. I'd say this year there is a solid crop of guys that return kicks. Lets look at the list from top to bottom. CJ Spiller, Javid Best, McCluster and Joe McKnight seem to be the best out of the RB's, WR's have Golden Tate, Damian Williams, Mardy Gilyard and Jacoby Ford for guys that stand out, as for DB's Perrish Cox excelled at it Oklahoma State, as did Javier Arenas. Others to consider include Akwasi Owusu-Ansah from Indiana (PA), Devin McCourty and Kyle Wilson. I can't believe one of these 12 guys won't slip a bit into the 3rd round with the most likely candidates being Jacoby Ford, Javier Arenas.

Just some ideas to kick around. I'd love to hear some others ideal top 4 picks.
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« Reply #223 on: February 05, 2010, 01:47:21 PM »
Not sure if I'm allowed to post info from ESPN Insider, but they had a good take on the QB class this year, which has been a topic of discussion on the Alex Smith thread, so I'm posting it here.  If this is not allowed, my apologies.



Top QB prospects face big questions

Thursday, January 21, 2010 | Print Entry


Posted by Kevin Weidl, Scouts Inc.

We have talked at length about Florida QB Tim Tebow and whether he can ever be an effective NFL quarterback, but there are just as many questions about the rest of the top quarterback prospects and NFL teams are no doubt approaching this year's class with caution.



Four of the top five prospects played in spread offenses in college, and while they put up big stats and were very efficient within those offenses the fact remains that spread quarterbacks have no real training or development in pro-style passing philosophies evaluating them is based much more on projections than hard evidence on film. No one truly knows if any of this year's prospects will make the successful transition to the NFL.



Here's a look at the biggest questions facing each player and where we currently expect them to come off the board:




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Sam Bradford is accurate but there are plenty of other questions about his game.
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma (6-foot-4, 214 pounds); Scouts Inc. grade: 94 -- The top quarterback on our board and a likely top-10 pick, Bradford is a risky proposition on several levels.



First, he has never played under center, never had to make reads while dropping back and never been asked to turn his back to the defense to execute play-action fakes. Will he be able to read more complex schemes quickly, make sound decisions and fit passes into much tighter windows than those he saw in college?



Secondly, he is a significant durability risk due to his lean frame and two shoulder injuries, both of which occurred in 2009 and the second of which required season-ending surgery.



Finally, you have to question whether he can function in a chaotic NFL pocket. Bradford put up huge stats in 2008 but did so with outstanding protection that allowed him to scan the field comfortably, but in limited action in 2009 he was under far more pressure and not nearly as effective.



Any quarterback can thrive in a picture-perfect pocket but Bradford has to prove he can slide in the pocket to avoid pass rushers, keep his eyes downfield and step up and step into his throws while the bullets are flying around him.



Scouts and coaches I've talked to agree almost unanimously that Bradford is somewhat of a project who will require significant work before he is ready to thrive in a pro offense. Players who come off the board early in the fist round are expected to contribute early but it remains to be seen if Bradford will be ready to do so, which would make him a very expensive risk to take.



Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame (6-2¾, 217); Grade: 89 -- Clausen is the only quarterback in the group who played in a pro-style offense in college and that is certainly an advantage. However, his arm strength is a question and some scouts wonder how high his ceiling is.



Clausen throws the deep ball with good timing but doesn't really drive it down the field, and he has to sink his weight and load up when making many deep throws.



Clausen also grew up in a football family -- both of his brothers played college football and all three boys were trained by their father -- and there is a concern that he might have already maxed out and reached his full potential.



Finally, there are some off-the-field issues related to leadership and the kind of teammate Clausen is. Those are especially important for quarterbacks, who must command the huddle, show charisma and win the respect of their teammates. There are rumblings about whether Clausen can do those things and that is part of the reason is is on the fringe of the first round at this point.



Colt McCoy, Texas (6-3, 211); Grade: 83 -- McCoy faces many of the same hurdles as Bradford, having played in a spread offense that consisted mostly of quick-hitting slants and stops and plenty of screen passes. He rarely threw downfield and there are significant concerns about his arm strength and footwork when attempting to push the ball downfield.



The added factor for McCoy is a lack of ideal size. While he is listed at 6-3 it is widely assumed that he will check in officially at just over 6-foot and whether he is able to gain enough strength to improve his downfield passing, and also see over the line of scrimmage, only add to the concerns of scouts. He gets a second-round grade at this point.



Tony Pike, Cincinnati (6-5⅞, 209); Grade: 79 -- Yet another spread quarterback who will have to adapt his game, Pike did flash the ability to thrive under center at the Senior Bowl and can be deadly accurate when he is in a rhythm.



Problem is, he can be very erratic when pressure gets him flustered, and Pike also needs a GPS locator to help him find the weight room and training table. He is incredibly lean and will have to add bulk to his frame in order to hold up to the rigors of an NFL season. We give him a third-round grade right now because he is still a work in progress.



Tim Tebow, Florida (6-3, 246); Grade: 76 -- This is one scout who is not afraid to say Tebow will never become a full-time starting quarterback in the NFL. There are simply too many issues with his footwork, elongated release and spotty accuracy. He will have to tear down and overhaul every part of his game just to have a chance and I don't see it working out.



Yes, Tebow has the leadership, determination, competitiveness and other intangibles teams look for in a quarterback, but his passing skills just do not match up. And let's face it, the NFL is a business. Jobs are on the line when it comes to these kinds of decisions and I would have a hard time sticking my neck out for a guy with so much work to do.



The third-round grade we put on Tebow following the Senior Bowl is based much more on his ability to contribute to short-yardage/Wildcat packages and possibly move to H-back than his developmental potential as a true quarterback. However, even the kind of versatile role he might play at the next level will depend on his 40-yard dash times.



So what does all this mean for the big picture?



It could mean that mid-to-late round developmental prospects who have pro-style experience (Pittsburgh's Bill Stull) or are physically gifted (West Virginia's Jarrett Brown) will become sought-after commodities because they are a much less costly risk.



It cold also mean that a pair of college quarterbacks who have good size and are currently thriving in pro-style offenses -- Washington's Jake Locker and Stanford's Andrew Luck -- could be lining themselves up for big paydays in April of 2011.



Locker is headed back to school for another year of seasoning under head coach Steve Sarkisian, and while some question his decision because of the relative weakness of this year's quarterback class Locker will be even better off next year.



Luck will be a draft-eligible third-year sophomore next season and the training he is receiving under head coach and former NFL quarterback Jim Harbaugh will be invaluable in the eyes of NFL scouts. He has already shown NFL-style tools and at this time next year he and Luck could be battling it out for the No. 1 overall pick.



Things are shaky for the 2010 class but teams in need of quarterbacks surely have their eyes on 2011 already.



Great job ntood.  I like the prospects you've brought up a great deal.  Thomas is smaller than you'd like, but he's a playmaker in the secondary.  He'd be like having another CB on the field his cover skills are that good.

You know how I feel about Graham, but there are a couple of holes in his game, namely his height and whether he's maxed out his ability already.  What I like best about him, is his motor and coachability.  I think with solid coaching this kid could be another Dwight Freeny possibly.

I also like the OT's and don't think we could go wrong with any of them quite frankly.  If there is an early run on OT's, we might be looking at Bruce Campbell or Charles Brown, so I'm hoping one of the guys you listed is still around.

Other thoughts on possible first rounders:

CJ Spiller.  We have Gore and Coffee but they are practically the same type of RB.  We lack the speed and elusive type of back that is needed to exploit defenses.  Spiller would be that guy along with a very good receiving option out of the backfield and lined up outside.  He would also solve the KR woes we have experienced for sometime now.  With all of the different things this kid can do, he might be the best value on the board when our 1st picks come up.

Jason Pierre Paul.  Raw as hell, but the natural ability this guy possess' is scary.  If we are looking for a DeMarcus Ware/Shawn Merriman type of OLB in this draft, this is the closest thing to it in both body type and athleticism.  The problem is he only played one year of Div I football after transferring from JC.  He's going to need some serious Coaching, but the physical ability is off the charts.

The second round pick is tough, because as you pointed out, it'll be largely dependent on what we do in the first.  Personally, I think we'll be looking CB if Kyle Wilson is there.  If not, we could go any number of ways with players like:  Jerry Hughes, Ricky Sapp, Mt. Cody, Vladimir Duccasse, Markice Pouncey, Brandon Spikes, Shawn Weatherspoon, and Golden Tate possibly available and needed depending on what happens in the first.

3rd round is anybodys guess at this point.  I have no idea what will be available and what direction they'll be looking, but this too will most likely be dependent on what we do with the first three picks.
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Other thoughts on possible first rounders:

CJ Spiller.  We have Gore and Coffee but they are practically the same type of RB.  We lack the speed and elusive type of back that is needed to exploit defenses.  Spiller would be that guy along with a very good receiving option out of the backfield and lined up outside.  He would also solve the KR woes we have experienced for sometime now.  With all of the different things this kid can do, he might be the best value on the board when our 1st picks come up.

Jason Pierre Paul.  Raw as hell, but the natural ability this guy possess' is scary.  If we are looking for a DeMarcus Ware/Shawn Merriman type of OLB in this draft, this is the closest thing to it in both body type and athleticism.  The problem is he only played one year of Div I football after transferring from JC.  He's going to need some serious Coaching, but the physical ability is off the charts.

The second round pick is tough, because as you pointed out, it'll be largely dependent on what we do in the first.  Personally, I think we'll be looking CB if Kyle Wilson is there.  If not, we could go any number of ways with players like:  Jerry Hughes, Ricky Sapp, Mt. Cody, Vladimir Duccasse, Markice Pouncey, Brandon Spikes, Shawn Weatherspoon, and Golden Tate possibly available and needed depending on what happens in the first.

3rd round is anybodys guess at this point.  I have no idea what will be available and what direction they'll be looking, but this too will most likely be dependent on what we do with the first three picks.
I keep kicking around the idea of CJ Spiller as well and I think he would quite the shot in the arm when it comes to the offenses explosiveness. On the other hand I think they are so close to being an elite defense and I think if you had to choose between an elite D with an average O or an above average D with little better than average O you choose the latter. I guess that's just me.

JPP keeps sticking in my head. I watched a highlight video and I am going to try and see if its on ESPN360 of the Rutgers USF game. What I saw in the highlights is a player that was getting handled for the most part by Anthony Davis (which speaks volumes for Davis). I don't know if its just me but he smells of a bust type player. He seems a lot like a Jammal Anderson of a few years ago a bigger athletic DE who sky rockets his last year, there is a youtube video of him doing multiple back flips and for a guy who is 260+ that is very impressive. I honestly hope he tests out through the roof and someone above the Niners falls in love with him which pushes a few other guys down the board.

Another guy who I have seen in mocks is Rolando McClain. I have mixed feelings on him being a possibility. Whats your take on investing on him at 13? Do you really take a ted that early even if it gives you potential one of the best 1-2 punches in the middle in the league bar none.
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« Reply #225 on: February 05, 2010, 07:37:57 PM »
Nice post ntodd

Just confirms my feelings about this QB class
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1/26/10: Terrence Cody weighed in at 370 at the Senior Bowl. This is a concern, but with quality nose tackles being so rare, Cody still has a shot at the first round.

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« Reply #227 on: February 06, 2010, 11:59:59 AM »
I like the idea of drafting CJ Spiller, but I can't help but think a player of equal caliber on the line would make our offense that much better. Images of Percy Harvin in the red and gold is wonderful, but we cannot ignore our line. We need upgrades on the line, not in skill positions where we already have a probowler. The other reason why I am not so eager to add him to the roster is how Raye is not the most imaginative guy.. what exactly could we expect?
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« Reply #229 on: February 08, 2010, 05:53:11 AM »
D: Cody is obviously intriguing. He flashed his potential to be a anchor in the middle at the senior bowl. The list of questions about him are long. The obvious question is can he keep his weight in control? Does he have motivation to be a force? Do you invest a top 3 round pick in a guy who can only play 2 downs at best? When it comes to Cody and how he fits with the Niners, I think Cody definitely has the ability to be a Vince WIlfork type player. Even at 370 he is amazingly light on his feet. I'd say you work with him to get down even to a 330 to 340 and keep the fire lit in him he would be a very nice NT. So where does that put Cody? I'd be pretty surprised if he made it out of the 2nd round, and if he can convince a team that he has the motivation to be something special it won't be long in the 2nd. I don't necessarily think he is someone that is a must need to the Niners in the 2nd round. I'd personally like a shot a pass rusher or S with that pick.
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« Reply #230 on: February 08, 2010, 01:34:42 PM »
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I keep kicking around the idea of CJ Spiller as well and I think he would quite the shot in the arm when it comes to the offenses explosiveness. On the other hand I think they are so close to being an elite defense and I think if you had to choose between an elite D with an average O or an above average D with little better than average O you choose the latter. I guess that's just me.


No, I get what you're saying and it's valid.  I definitely think we need to address the defense, and if the best available is a defensive player, then do it.  I agree we aren't far from an elite level defense which keeps you in a lot of games.

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JPP keeps sticking in my head. I watched a highlight video and I am going to try and see if its on ESPN360 of the Rutgers USF game. What I saw in the highlights is a player that was getting handled for the most part by Anthony Davis (which speaks volumes for Davis). I don't know if its just me but he smells of a bust type player. He seems a lot like a Jammal Anderson of a few years ago a bigger athletic DE who sky rockets his last year, there is a youtube video of him doing multiple back flips and for a guy who is 260+ that is very impressive. I honestly hope he tests out through the roof and someone above the Niners falls in love with him which pushes a few other guys down the board.


Yes a classic boom or bust type prospect, but the talent is undeniable.  Someone is going to take him in the top half of round one imo and it'll be interesting to see if he can achieve what his talent level says he should.

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Another guy who I have seen in mocks is Rolando McClain. I have mixed feelings on him being a possibility. Whats your take on investing on him at 13? Do you really take a ted that early even if it gives you potential one of the best 1-2 punches in the middle in the league bar none

Personally, I do it, and don't give it a second thought.  No it's not a huge need, but a player of McClains caliber is too good to pass up.  You take him, you put him beside Willis and then create ways for both of them to wreak havoc.  McClain is a great blitzer, run stuffer and can play coverage as well.  He's also like a Coach on the field according to Nick Saban, so I don't think you can go wrong taking a player like that.

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I like the idea of drafting CJ Spiller, but I can't help but think a player of equal caliber on the line would make our offense that much better. Images of Percy Harvin in the red and gold is wonderful, but we cannot ignore our line. We need upgrades on the line, not in skill positions where we already have a probowler. The other reason why I am not so eager to add him to the roster is how Raye is not the most imaginative guy.. what exactly could we expect?

I agree we need help on the Oline Bob, but we have two picks in the first, and will most likely have some good Oline prospects available with the second rounder as well.  The reason I take Spiller if I feel he's the BPA is:

A) He provides something we don't have.  Namely a speed back, who is also a very good kick and punt returner.

B) I don't see another position player in this draft that provides his level of skill to do these things.  McCluster maybe, but he's not an experienced kick returner, and will most likely get drafted earlier than we would take him.

C) I know it's not PC to say this as a NIners fan, but I think Frank Gore has another year or two max as a top level player.  RB's get old fast, and in Gore's case, he has had numerous injuries that have given him trouble and forced him to miss some time.  Having Spiller helps guard against the drop in play when it happens.

At the end of the day, I want to come out of this draft with a new RT, OLB, KR, and CB.  If we can add a S and OG as well great, but I want the first four, preferably with our top 4 picks.
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« Reply #231 on: February 08, 2010, 08:26:32 PM »
I'm onboard with Spiller & an OT in the 1st, but a guy like Javier Arenas could fill the PR/KR position, and be had in the 3rd round.
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« Reply #233 on: February 10, 2010, 05:23:50 AM »
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C) I know it's not PC to say this as a NIners fan, but I think Frank Gore has another year or two max as a top level player.  RB's get old fast, and in Gore's case, he has had numerous injuries that have given him trouble and forced him to miss some time.  Having Spiller helps guard against the drop in play when it happens.

At the end of the day, I want to come out of this draft with a new RT, OLB, KR, and CB.  If we can add a S and OG as well great, but I want the first four, preferably with our top 4 picks.
I'd have to agree when it comes to Gore, I think we may be playing with borrowed time. I'd say maybe one more season of top end ability but after that I'd expect to have a plan to phase him out. It's unfortunate how these backs get worn down so fast these days but the reality of today's NFL is they wear down and fast. You have a limited window and RB's seem to significantly slow down. Which goes to show  you how tough it's going to be to reach Emmit's records. The days of the feature back are dwindling fast. I like Coffee in fact he was one of my favorite prospect last year. I think he is very capable of being that hard nosed thumper but he isn't a feature back. Which makes Spiller all the more attractive. If not Spiller I wouldn't count out a Best, a sleeper in all this Ryan Mathews who might be the best all-around back in this draft. Corey Chavous actually has him rated above Spiller and I think that's becasue he views Mathews as a all-around feature back. I'd say right now Mathews could be around in the 2nd round. He might be someone to consider.

When it comes to the positions that I'd like to see addressed during the draft. I'd agree with you but I think S is a position that lines up well with a need early. This draft is super stacked at the S position and its a great opportunity to get one if you need one. I would honestly be surprised if they somehow didn't end up with another S type. Scot seems to like the tweener CB/S types. Reggie Smith, Marcus Hudson are prime examples. It's almost like he drafts them to play corner and if they can play it and succeed then its a bonus otherwise he would just move them to S.
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« Reply #234 on: February 10, 2010, 03:15:10 PM »
Tim Tebow: The Florida quarterback isn't close to being the best quarterback entering the draft, but he's the most decorated and scrutinized. Will he go anywhere close to the first or second round? What team will take a flyer on the ultimate college gamer, whose mechanics need a lot of work before he's ready to see playing time in the NFL? On that note, the race to be the top quarterback selected between Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen and Oklahoma's Sam Bradford will be interesting; as will be the team that rolls the dice first on a quarterback

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« Reply #235 on: February 13, 2010, 06:29:32 PM »
Sam Bradford has his detractors, but this is a good read - an interview with Malcolm Kelly.  It's not a pundit opinion, but the thoughts of someone who played with Bradford.  It provides an interesting perspective.  

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/malcolm-kelly-gives-his-though.html

"In his first season as a starter, Bradford, then an unheralded redshirt freshman, played a surprising role in leading the Sooners to an 11-3 record, the Big 12 title and top 10 national rankings.

"When he came in, nobody expected him to do what he did in his freshman year," Kelly said in a lengthy telephone interview today. "All we wanted, all we were looking for, was a guy who would just come in and not get us beat. We didn't want him to come in and try to make any spectacular plays or anything like that. But he came in and took it and ran with it."

In his first season, Bradford passed for 3,121 yards with 36 touchdowns and only eight interceptions. He completed 69.5 percent of his passes and had a 176.52 quarterback rating.

Bradford has good arm strength and plays with confidence, Kelly said, "but the biggest thing is that Sam makes good decisions, man. First and foremost, he's real accurate. His accuracy is well above average and he makes smart decisions. He's not going to force too many things."
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« Reply #236 on: February 14, 2010, 01:34:49 PM »
Nice read thanks Tank.  He's ranked 9th over all followed by Clausen at 10.  Who would you rather see us draft if we did go qb at some point in the 1st round?

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« Reply #237 on: February 14, 2010, 01:36:36 PM »
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In his first season, Bradford passed for 3,121 yards with 36 touchdowns and only eight interceptions. He completed 69.5 percent of his passes and had a 176.52 quarterback rating.

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« Reply #239 on: February 15, 2010, 01:21:47 PM »
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In his first season, Bradford passed for 3,121 yards with 36 touchdowns and only eight interceptions. He completed 69.5 percent of his passes and had a 176.52 quarterback rating.

176.52? That IS pretty impressive Wink


Yeah especially when the top ranking a QB can get is supposed to be 158.  No one is denying the kid had great numbers.  The problem is how he got them.  He was protected better than fort knox and threw passes shorter than 10 yards about 80% of the time.  You should have great completion numbers in an offense like that.  He didn't get the great protection this past season and it was a disaster.
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