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« Reply #900 on: October 20, 2008, 07:18:18 PM »
Quote from: D-roc on October 20, 2008, 06:49:10 PM
Mike Sando: He was the quarterback by default this season, in my view. Alex Smith and Shaun Hill failed to win the job.

I've been a Smith proponent since he was drafted, but that line says a lot. I was very disappointed that he couldn't beat the out likes of JT this year. So while I like this kid a lot, if he's not back here, then so be it.

I just hope he doesn't go to some place like Indy where they could straighten him out & see him play for 10 years there.
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« Reply #901 on: October 20, 2008, 07:19:46 PM »
If you're happy with 7 wins, keep them. It's a mediocre record. I'll take more risk for the shot at a winning season. Looks like we missed this year, eh?

Your point was that the 4 point difference was insignificant. I showed you that 4 points was the difference in 8 games over 2 seasons. Sounds significant to me.

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There is no argument that proves that Martz has made us significantly better than the past three seasons. It's just not true, and the point has been made without any argument that JTO is not executing well in this offense. 22 points per game. That's not doing it.

22 points per game not significantly better than the last 3 years of offense? That's just not true.
2005 - 14
2006 - 18
2007 - 13
2008 - 22

One of those numbers is significantly bigger than the others. Everyone would agree that Turner's offense is significantly better than McCarthy's offense here. Yet, the difference is the same 4 points that Martz has over Turner. One cannot be significant w/o the other being equally so. So, there IS an argument that Martz has made us significantly better than the past 3 seasons, and it looks like a compelling one.

JT's problems can only be fixed by 1 person, JT. Martz can help, but he can't do it for him. JT has to do the work himself. It's all in his head (starting to sound like a Smith discussion, LOL).
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« Reply #902 on: October 20, 2008, 07:38:52 PM »
Quote from: DC9er on October 20, 2008, 06:51:48 PM

JTO will not start again after this season in this league.

Wow , the team is struggling, but that's a little extreme at this point
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« Reply #903 on: October 20, 2008, 10:17:03 PM »
Quote from: commoncents on October 19, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
JT is playing great? are we watching the same game? Also where is this "it" at TIM I still havent seen it. 7th game or not he's been in the league for 6 years, he's making dumb throws right to the defender. no complex scheme or anything. just dumb throws.

Say what you want, i dont remember smith making as many bad throws (not including his rookie year) that JT has thrown all season

You are sooooo wrong imho. He was playing great and showing massive amounts of "it" . But then like almost every week he counteracts his great play with a few insane plays. All I am saying is that he is a really good QB who shows "it" like Alex never dreamed of BUT he ruins it all with the few boneheaded plays per game.
That is why I said that if he doesn't get much better in those areas that are disasters then he will just turn out to be one of those guys who can move the team well and get you all excited about how great he looks and then he tears your heart out and ruins all his good play .
I have been very fair in my evaluation of the guy! The difference between me and some others is that I see his great play and have a vision of what he might be IF he can overcome his few bad traits ( fumbling and not seeing the underneath coverage very well a couple times per game).  I have never gone overboard for the guy but on the other hand I am more patient than some people and realize he has only played less than 1/4 of the games that Alex was given before he was labled a bust. We need to give him the rest of the year to see if he pulls out of his turnover tailspin. If he improves dramatically in that one area then the rest of his game is well above average,even great in some areas,with an abundance of "it" !  .
We will draft a QB or get one in free agency . We all knew that. JT has the rest of the season to prove he can be a starter in the NFL.  He certainly has played well enough and moved the team well enough to make me want to see if he can practice and learn to stop the few huge problems. Many QB's have overcome these type of problems in their first year of starting and gone on to be really good QB's. We shall see.
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This is what I said a few days ago and I still hope Martz knows what he is talking about and JT gets better and better and overcomes the huge errors...


Quote from: TIM on October 16, 2008, 04:56:28 PM
This from Martz today...49ers.com...

“The biggest thing with JT is, he’s never played, he had really no spring work, relatively limited camp work, and he’s running this offense at full-tilt. We haven’t backed off anything or dummied anything down. We’ve just let it all hang out. Some of the stuff we’re running, he’s never ran before. So the decision-making process, he’s going to have some real bad errors occasionally. We’ll overcome them and they’re going to become less and less. I just want him to be real decisive and use his God-given talent to read, react and get the ball out quickly like he can do. He’s going to be as good as there is. I think he’s an exceptional player, but he’s going to have some bumps along the road. I believe he’s only going to continue to get better every week.”
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---That is pretty much the way I have been hoping things are. I don't know if he is actually going to be as good as there is in the NFL but from what I see he has vast skills and I just want him to cut down on those "really bad errors" to only "occasionally" .

So ,I have been consistent and I think pretty fair . Not overboard for the guy but also not wanting to dump him before he has had a chance to play more than a few NFL games. The jury is still out and if you don't think it should be then I would not want you on my jury if I was on trial  Wink .
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« Reply #904 on: October 21, 2008, 03:58:21 AM »
Dont act like I'm throwing him under the bus. I know you didnt get that from my post. But Where is this "it" at? When has he played great besides the Seattle and Detroit game? I'm not the only one who doesnt understand where you are coming from. Having "it" means you are leading your team back in the 4th quarter. Not getting stripped or throwing INT's. Also you cant use playing 1/4 of games as your main excuse. The guy has been in the league for 6 years and in martz offense for almost 2. I will say that I dont think ALL of his int's have been his fault. I think the WR ran the wrong route on some of them, but the strips and holding on to the ball to long, isnt that something you use to complain about with the QB before him...? "Maybe JT has small hands"

Regardless, hopefully he, the OL and the rest of the team will get a boost now that Nolan is gone.
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« Reply #905 on: October 21, 2008, 05:25:42 AM »
What I am trying to say is that the point differential is 1.

Look at what the defense allowed, and what the offense scored. Part of why the defense is allowing more points is the offensive turnovers. JTO will make the 4 points we score over 2006 meaningless in every game because of this. In 2006 we had 1/4 the WR help we have now (this cannot be understated), we also ran a scheme that was going to generate less points (it SHOULD be more than 4 points less than this offense) It was also our QBs second year in the league.

The washington redskins were 5-11 in Campbells second year (in the same system, with a better team)

the denver broncos were 7-9 under Jay Cutler in his second year (in the same system with a better team)

the cincinatti bengals were 8-8 under Carson Palmer in his second year (in the same system)

The San Diego Chargers were 8-8 under Drew Brees in his second year.

7-9 is a respectable record for a second year QB. I will take it any day, and I can only hope JTO gets us close to that this season.

The problem with the Martz quote is that it's innacurate. JTO has NOT been growing every week. Of course he has to say JTO is fine, what else is he going to do?

There is no "it" unless "it" is turning over the ball. It's a consistent trend for him. If JTO does not pick it up in this last stretch, and I'm talking multiple 300 yard games (in this system he has to) he will not get a shot to start barring the injury of another player.

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« Reply #906 on: October 21, 2008, 06:04:48 AM »
DC:
True, TO's have put the defense in bad field position. However, it's not too much to ask that we have a good defense (which we don't...at least not yet).

And I think Martz is saying what he has to say. Then again, he may be seeing things in practice that we aren't seeing. Even if that is true (practice), it isn't translating onto the field. JT got better for 2.5 games, then he got progressively worse over the last 3.

Barring a massive turnaround by the entire team, I see a completely new regime coming in on both offense and defense, meaning Martz, JT, Manusky, Singletary and the whole bunch are out looking for work.
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« Reply #907 on: October 21, 2008, 06:47:55 AM »
DC - They're NOT GOING TO GET IT.  They don't know how bad Jim Hostler was for Smith.  And they seem to want to ignore the fact that he was hurt bad.  And they seem to want to ignore the fact that Turner's offense was centered around Gore.  Norv brought Alex around slowly, and Jim Hostler gave him NO leadership.  Alex may not have shown "it" yet, but he was always about gradual improvement.  It's the lack of consistency that screwed him.
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« Reply #908 on: October 21, 2008, 07:37:00 AM »
I have to admit I like JT's gunsling mentally but  time & time again that same mentally has cost the 9ers too many games. I guess because it's was a breath of fresh air from what "Alex I keep the ball in my hands so long for a sack" would do. I watched this Giants game in the stadium with my 9er buddy & before i walked into that stadium i told him "9ers win this game if JT doesnt throw and int." 1st int on 9ers side of the field led to the giants td on pass to plaxico to go up 14-3.  2nd int comes right before the half after gore has already fumbled 17-10. This 2nd one proved more costly than 1st because the team was driving just before the half; stadium is PACKED with giant fans & 9er fans (PROUD OF YOU 9ER FANS SHOWING UP) and you could hear a pin drop in that stadium before that int. If we score on that drive even a fieldgoal giant fans would have shut-up or booed their whole team because they were playing awful as well.  It just hurts as a fan to see the  9ers could beat the defending champions but are giving the game to the giants.  JT's stats were what  2ints, 3 lost fumbles i believe for the game just ridiculous. He has to be more careful with the ball.  How does a team win when your defense is in the bottom quarter of the league in all categories and by yourself alone you hand the ball to your opponent FIVE times.  It's not happening & unfortunately JT is our best chance to win RIGHT NOW!!!  Just sucks because out of all the teams I despise the most the "WEE-MEN" aka giants are the ones I have no respect for them & there 'bandwagon" fans. 

P.S.  ?? for all you 9ER FANS!! Which team do you despise the most in the NFL? I already know I am a get alot of "COWGIRLS" responses LOL!!
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« Reply #909 on: October 21, 2008, 08:48:55 AM »
You know, I hated the Cowboys as much as anybody.  But right now these two franchises are worlds apart.  I think I'd say I hate the Seahawks the most as it stands now.  But I'm starting to really hate Arizona.  Remember when we used to hate the Rams the most?  When the division rival was more important than the Cowboys?  We're not on the level yet where we have to hate a team we meet every year in the playoffs.

Playoffs.  Now that would be nice.
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« Reply #910 on: October 21, 2008, 10:28:40 AM »
Quote from: indianajim on October 21, 2008, 06:47:55 AM
They don't know how bad Jim Hostler was for Smith. And they seem to want to ignore the fact that he was hurt bad. And they seem to want to ignore the fact that Turner's offense was centered around Gore. Norv brought Alex around slowly, and Jim Hostler gave him NO leadership. Alex may not have shown "it" yet, but he was always about gradual improvement. It's the lack of consistency that screwed him.

Agreed.  Alex Smith was and might still be full of potential.  The lack of consistency was the leading factor that never turned the potential into playing ability.  JTO on the other hand does not have that same potential and if he did he would not have been let go by so many teams.  The only reason why he is the starter is because he had previous knowledge of the Martz system and Nolan needed to save himself.  Since that didn't work and Nolan is gone, its time to bring in Shaun Hill for a few games and see what hes got. 

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« Reply #911 on: October 21, 2008, 10:35:50 AM »
And really, when it comes to character and being a team player, what says that more than a former #1 draft pick who says "sign me to a league minimum so I can stay on the team where I got screwed?" 
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« Reply #912 on: October 21, 2008, 11:33:19 AM »
Hey! This is the JTO thread.

Please go to the you-know-who thread and feel sorry for poor little Xxxx there!

My guess is we will see Jamie Martin play before we see Shaun Hill. Wouldn't that be a blast!

We're stuck with JTO this season guys, so you might as well support him or you'll be miserable and complaining for the rest of the season.
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« Reply #913 on: October 21, 2008, 11:36:21 AM »
yup. Isn't that loyalty? Isn't that a type of quiet leadership? A lot of people are going act like he's doing it because he knew he couldn't get a job elsewhere. At worst, the guy would a top number two in this league without learning another thing. A contender like the Colts would probably take him in a minute.

I hope we get a chance to see him again in a Niners Uniform.
Um, I'll be miserable if we're losing, and if Martin Starts over Hill, after we gave him an extension last year, after he wons games... oh man. I hope this crap stops. If JTO keeps up his turnovers for three more games, we'd better not see him for the rest of the season.
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« Reply #914 on: October 21, 2008, 11:51:43 AM »
hojer - To be honest with I don't care who takes the spot, Hill or Martin, JTO should not start another game if there is a healthy QB able to play.  He was a shotgun approach to save Nolan and it got him nowhere.  If Hill or Martin don't know the system as well as JTO, Martz needs to adapt a bit to make it work.  If he can't do that as a coach then he needs to be reevaluated as well.
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« Reply #915 on: October 21, 2008, 01:14:54 PM »
Quote from: hojer49 on October 21, 2008, 11:33:19 AM
Hey! This is the JTO thread.

Please go to the you-know-who thread and feel sorry for poor little Xxxx there!

My guess is we will see Jamie Martin play before we see Shaun Hill. Wouldn't that be a blast!

We're stuck with JTO this season guys, so you might as well support him or you'll be miserable and complaining for the rest of the season.

Who's complaining?  I'm perfectly assured in my opinion and I believe all of this comes into play when making a comparison to JTO.
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« Reply #916 on: October 21, 2008, 03:04:06 PM »
Common: The "it" ?
At least 5- 10 times a game I see the WOW factor in JT's play. My point is that about  70 % of the time he is a good QB and about 25 % of the time he is a QB showing the "it" and about 5% of the time the WOW is a negative WOW instead of "WOW he really showed "it" on that play" ,it is " WOW what was he doing on that play !!!

There are few times I agree with Nolan but I did actually agree with what he said in his press conference yesterday (or maybe it was after the game on Sunday ?) ,when Nolan said something like ... JT is a very very good QB that just shows some big problems in his game a few times a game to ruin all the good. JT moves the team and has everything you want from a QB BUT sometimes he gives you more than you want. As Nolan said,these problems are correctable. ( we hope).
If they are not corrected soon then it is obvious that all the great play and the "it" will not be enough to have JT keep the job .
A stock market analogy... It doesn't matter how great a stock trader you are and how much money you have made for your client during the year ,IF you lose it all back on one or two or three horrible trades,then you will get fired AND should be.
JT plays wonderfully ,especially for a 7 game starter in the NFL BUT he tends to make a couple plays a game that nullifies all the great play he has shown up until those plays destroy what he had built.
Someone with so little experience has to be given the chance to show he can eliminate MOST of the bad WOW's,while keeping the good WOW's. If he was a veteran starter then I would have him on a much shorter leash because those bad WOW's are killing us !

Put it this way ,for those of you who don't see the "it"...
If you made up a game recording of all the highlights of JT's play during games BUT removed the 3 worst plays every game from that film,you would be looking at the best QB we have seen around here since Garcia. NO DOUBT ! But those 3 or so plays per game are soooo bad that they destroy all the good. If JT can eliminate the majority of those bad plays then all that will be left is the huge majority of good . That is the hope and that is why he will continue to start.
What's the alternative THIS year anyway? We might as well see if JT can eliminate the majority of the bad WOW's ,so we know by the end of the year exactly what his limitations are going to be going forward.

We will draft a QB and maybe even bring in a free agent QB or trade for one (Brady Quinn ?),no matter what JT does BUT now it is JT's chance to make or break his career. He is on the edge and can tip either way. I will of course admit that in recent weeks the bad WOW's have him tipping strongly in the wrong direction and in strong danger of becoming one of those QB's who do just enough to get your hopes up but winds up breaking your heart in the end. I am patient enough to wait and see how this ends up. Besides ,what other option do we have this year? I love Hill but he doesn't have the arm.
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« Reply #917 on: October 21, 2008, 03:23:41 PM »
From Dictionary.com

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16.   have it, Informal.
b.   to possess the requisite abilities for something; be talented, adept, or proficient: In this business you either have it or you don't.

J.T. O'Sullivan doesn't have it.  This is his OPTIMAL situation.  He was HAND PICKED.  He has been hailed as SPECIAL, UNUSUAL, also touted as PERFECT for this system.  It has been said that he will be a GREAT quarterback in this league.

And he isn't.

J.T. O'Sullivan has "isn't."
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« Reply #918 on: October 21, 2008, 04:04:29 PM »
Your one funny guy Indy but you are sometimes shortsighted. JT has an abundance of "it" but as you say he also has too much "isn;t".
He has started 7 games in the NFL and Alex had started 30+ games. JT is already so much better than Alex ever was it is disturbing to hear some fans not see it right in front of their eyes. If Smith was playing this great and also making the few big mistakes every game ,fans like you would be saying that we should be patient. Talk about double talk !
All I am saying is that if you take away the few bad plays by JT and look at the rest,you will see a very good potential for a very good Q to emerge. Maybe not and maybe he never repairs the bad portions of his game. But after only 7 games in this difficult offense I think it is too early to throw JT out. Be patient and if he doesn't improve on the rough spots he will not be the starter next year.
As I said,what are your options this year anyway. You never answer that,you just complain. You didn't complain about your hero Alex when he looked so below average ,with no flashes of "it"  after 5 times as many starts in the NFL !!!  Maybe you were just trying to be fair to Alex (as I always tried to be until he finally lost me)? Why not be the same way with your teams present starting QB ?  Especially when you have no other answers at QB this year anyway. Or maybe you are not just whining,maybe you do have a better answer at QB right now than the guy who is showing potential most of the time and just makes bonehead mistakes a few times per game? 
Smith is the past and there is only a small chance that he ever plays for the Niners again. Get over the fact that your darling flopped. The future is now and JT is it for the rest of this year unless he gets injured. JT is YOUR QB,don't hold grudges because he whipped the butt of your favorite. He also whipped the butt of my favorite ,Hill. But I am rooting for JT and for my team,not whining about wishing Hill was in there.

Instead of hearing sour grapes about the past I would be interested on who you want the Niners to bring in next year as QB (draft,free agency,trade) ?  JT may flop ,we don't quite know yet. Who do you want if he is not the answer?
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« Reply #919 on: October 21, 2008, 04:14:26 PM »
Well Smith clearly didn't have IT and the jury is still out whether JTO has IT as well.

With so few games started I don't think we can hasten judgment particularly when we were so long suffering in support of Alex.
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« Reply #920 on: October 21, 2008, 04:17:21 PM »
Quote from: twinspapa on October 21, 2008, 04:14:26 PM
Well Smith clearly didn't have IT and the jury is still out whether JTO has IT as well.

With so few games started I don't think we can hasten judgment particularly when we were so long suffering in support of Alex.

PAPA,you said in a couple sentences what I have been saying in my very longwinded posts. Thank you !
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« Reply #921 on: October 21, 2008, 04:53:28 PM »
Alex Smith is injured, he is not playing this year.  We either sink or swim with JT.  We have no other options.  This stuff about what Alex would do if he was playing is pointless, because he's not, and won't be for awhile.  JT is the QB, hope for the best and support him.
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« Reply #922 on: October 21, 2008, 08:46:00 PM »
Quote from: TIM on October 21, 2008, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: twinspapa on October 21, 2008, 04:14:26 PM
Well Smith clearly didn't have IT and the jury is still out whether JTO has IT as well.

With so few games started I don't think we can hasten judgment particularly when we were so long suffering in support of Alex.

PAPA,you said in a couple sentences what I have been saying in my very longwinded posts. Thank you !

Wait a min. arent you doing the same thing? You dont want some of us to rush to judgement by saying JT doesnt have "IT", yet you have it made up in your mind that he does. This goes both ways TIM.


Regardless if he has it or not, he's all we have, "it" or not.
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« Reply #923 on: October 22, 2008, 01:10:59 AM »
Quote from: commoncents on October 21, 2008, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: TIM on October 21, 2008, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: twinspapa on October 21, 2008, 04:14:26 PM
Well Smith clearly didn't have IT and the jury is still out whether JTO has IT as well.

With so few games started I don't think we can hasten judgment particularly when we were so long suffering in support of Alex.

PAPA,you said in a couple sentences what I have been saying in my very longwinded posts. Thank you !

Wait a min. arent you doing the same thing? You dont want some of us to rush to judgement by saying JT doesnt have "IT", yet you have it made up in your mind that he does. This goes both ways TIM.


Regardless if he has it or not, he's all we have, "it" or not.

As you said I do believe he has plenty of "it" but also like you said he sometimes has plenty of " isn't " .   
What I am saying is that having plenty of "it" like JT obviously does is NOT enough . He must not counteract the "it" by letting the "isn't" show it's ugly face.

So the jury is still out on wheather or not he has enough "it" . He has plenty IF he doesn't let the "isn't" out to mess things up.
What was the name of that QB several years back who was great (several Pro Bowl slots I think)but just when his teams were about to drive for those game winning drives he would almost always throw the pick or especially fumble the ball away? Was it David Kreig ? I think he played for Seattle and maybe Arizone and maybe another team or two. He had plenty of what it took but he always tore the fans heart out just when things were looking good. I think Bill Walsh used to say the same thing about Steve DeBerg. He was just good enough to string you along and make you think you might have a really good QB and then he pulled the rug out from under you by throwing a disastrous pick .

Either JT is going to be THAT guy who shows "it" just enough to sucker you in and then pulls the rug out with one of his patented ints or fumbles OR he is going to get over his flaws and become what his promise has shown he might be.
Like you said ,he is all we have at the moment ,so why not give him some patience and hope some more game experience and practice will help him overcome his flaws.

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« Reply #924 on: October 22, 2008, 01:30:58 AM »
Quote from: indianajim on October 21, 2008, 01:14:54 PM
Who's complaining? I'm perfectly assured in my opinion and I believe all of this comes into play when making a comparison to JTO.

4 weeks ago you thought JTO looked great. Let's discuss it again after the Seattle game where he throws for +300 yds., 3 TDs and just one INT! 


Quote from: westcoastguy on October 21, 2008, 04:53:28 PM
Alex Smith is injured, he is not playing this year. We either sink or swim with JT. We have no other options. This stuff about what Alex would do if he was playing is pointless, because he's not, and won't be for awhile. JT is the QB, hope for the best and support him.

Absolutely. All this talk about you-know-who is pointless right now.

JTO = WOWITISN'T

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« Reply #925 on: October 22, 2008, 01:43:07 AM »
Quote from: hojer49 on October 22, 2008, 01:30:58 AM
Let's discuss it again after the Seattle game where he throws for +300 yds., 3 TDs and just one INT!




Let's hope it is 3 td's and 0 ints and 0 fumbles. He needs to go for about a month and a half without any ints , just to make up for the last 3 weeks.
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« Reply #926 on: October 22, 2008, 04:50:59 AM »
TIM u have me confused. I never said JT has 'isnt'. But im also not willing to say he has 'it' either like u are. All im sayin is its a two way street. U cannot sit there and say we are wrong because its only been 7 games. U are making the same excuse we are for JT only u are taking the positive route. I support JT because he is our QB but lets hold off this 'IT' conversationg until he does someting when it really matters. Which he hasnt done yet. Also Seattle is down this year. This is a team we are suppose to beat. IF JT struggles against them i think it becomes a serious matter. I will say this i hope u dont come in here with a 'I told u JT HAS IT' attitude if JT performs great because like i said until he does it in a game that matters IT doesnt mean anything
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« Reply #927 on: October 22, 2008, 05:27:53 AM »
I think ALL games matter CC. If you want to qualify games like that you can always wriggle your way out of givin anybody any credit.

Obviously it means more to throw for 100 yds. and 2 TDs in the 4th. against the Titans D to win the game, than it does to do it against the Lions in the 1st, but that doesn't mean the performance against the less-than-stellar team isn't worthy of praise, does it?

There is something about this discussion that has been bothering me for a while and now I've finally found out what it is:

A lot of people in here seem to have much higher expectations of JTO than of you-know-who and I really don't understand why. In one corner we have a career journeyman with 0 starts (until this year), in the other is a number one overall pick. It's mentioned time and again that JTO is not nearly as good as you-know-you - yet expectations of him seem to be much higher.

Maybe somebody can explain to me why this is the case?
 
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« Reply #928 on: October 22, 2008, 05:55:24 AM »
Quote from: TIM on October 21, 2008, 04:04:29 PM
Instead of hearing sour grapes about the past I would be interested on who you want the Niners to bring in next year as QB (draft,free agency,trade) ? JT may flop ,we don't quite know yet. Who do you want if he is not the answer?

Tim - It's way to early to start talking about this because we dont know where we will end up in the draft and all the good prospects are underclassmen and have not declared their draft status. 

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We either sink or swim with JT. We have no other options. This stuff about what Alex would do if he was playing is pointless, because he's not, and won't be for awhile. JT is the QB, hope for the best and support him.

WCG - I disagree with you on this one.  We have 2 other guys on the roster that may not be flashy QB's, but one just received a contract extention at the end of last year because he showed signs of being a winner.  Now I do not think Hill is the answer to save this season, but we are sinking with JTO as our QB and I would like to see if there is another guy on this squad that could turn this year around and be a good backup going forward.
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« Reply #929 on: October 22, 2008, 06:48:31 AM »
TIM - when "a few bonehead mistakes" directly results in losses, I say the guy has isn't.  Alex Smith was never great, but he never outright killed the team in close games.
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