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« Reply #840 on: October 06, 2008, 11:26:57 AM »
He certainly played better than he did against New Orleans but his only two good games came against bottom 5 defenses.  He didn't even do good against Arizona and New Orleans, ranked 20th and 21st.
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« Reply #841 on: October 06, 2008, 12:06:30 PM »
He was only responsible for one int to battle in our red zone. The second int was a throw up for grabs on one and one coverage to Walker that great WRs come down with. Culppeper made a career of chucking the ball to Moss in double coverage. Walker lost the ball in the sun and the ball landed in defender's chest after it was tipped as he fell to the ground. If Walker makes that play we are talking about JT having 4 TDs to 1int because the 3rd int was meaningless as it on 4&16 after we were down by ten and the protection broke down and he had to throw it. He scrambled around and avoided many sacks.

Tedy Bruschi said, "That kid's like a rubber band," he said. "He kept bending and bending and avoiding sacks. He made a nice 8-yard scramble. He was always trying to make a play."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/05/SPKQ13BV58.DTL&feed=rss.49ers

And Bellicheck in his press conference video said that his defensive front got tired chasing around JT all day lol.
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« Reply #842 on: October 06, 2008, 12:36:46 PM »
I agree with WCG - I thought JTO made progress yesterday as far as holding onto the ball goes (despite the fact our offense as whole really struggled).  At least we know its a recognized problem from his interviews and that Martz is working on it.

I don't know if this is all playcalling or not, but I wish JTO would complete more passes under 5 yds or so because it seems like we kept looking for the downfield strike yesterday.  I don't know if that was JTO trying to do too much again or simply Martz looking to pick big chunks of yardage quickly.  Either way, it was a close game (scoreboard wise) for about 2 & 1/2 quarters so there was no need to start playing "catchup" as early as I thought we did.

I like the killer instinct.  I just wish we could find a better balance on offense.
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« Reply #843 on: October 06, 2008, 01:10:19 PM »
Quote from: KS_Niner on October 06, 2008, 12:36:46 PM
I agree with WCG - I thought JTO made progress yesterday as far as holding onto the ball goes (despite the fact our offense as whole really struggled).  At least we know its a recognized problem from his interviews and that Martz is working on it.

Definitely.  The only sack came at the end when the Patriots brought everyone. 
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« Reply #844 on: October 06, 2008, 03:01:20 PM »
JTO did well yesterday, he was only on the field so much.  Also, with all the pressure that was brought, I can remember 2 instances on 3rd and 3 or less, when JTO takes a 5 step drop or more instead of just running the ball.
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« Reply #845 on: October 06, 2008, 03:27:40 PM »
The number of steps he takes is dependent upon the play Martz calls.  That's the one failing of the Martz system.  He disregards the short quick pass for the medium to deep pass too often and, IMO, limits the effectiveness of his own offense.
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« Reply #846 on: October 07, 2008, 01:34:02 PM »
Quote from: mountainjack on October 06, 2008, 03:27:40 PM
The number of steps he takes is dependent upon the play Martz calls.  That's the one failing of the Martz system.  He disregards the short quick pass for the medium to deep pass too often and, IMO, limits the effectiveness of his own offense.

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« Reply #847 on: October 07, 2008, 02:00:17 PM »
No, facts.
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« Reply #848 on: October 08, 2008, 08:51:45 AM »
2. J.T. O'Sullivan, QB, 49ers (tie). We're seeing a pattern here. O'Sullivan is going to make plays for both teams. The 49ers aren't asking him to manage the game and they'll have to live with the consequences. He threw into coverage on the interception to Rodney Harrison instead of throwing outside.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcwest/0-4-73/NFC-West-stock-watch.html?post=true

It is not all his fault that we are losing, however, common sense tells you that the picks are killing us. Sad
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« Reply #849 on: October 10, 2008, 12:40:43 PM »
I still like JT and think he is doing pretty well overall . Of course he needs to refine his game and they know that and are working on the glitches (of course there are going to be refinements needed in any QB that has only started 5 games in the NFL,we won't know until the end of the year wheather or not he will make all the adjustments necessary to totally fix his game.If he is still standing after he faces the Eagles,lol ).
Of course this next game may not be a good game to judge JT on wheather he is making progress. The Eagles defense may be the only defense in the NFL that might blitz on every play. I hope Martz decides that this week is the week to throw in a few extra short patterns to try to keep the defense honest and to try to keep JT off his back side.
But if I know Martz he will have that look in his eyes and will be thinking that the more they blitz the more chances we have to hurt them with the long pass. Oh well,good luck JT ! I still think you are doing fine ! Keep it up and keep improving !
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« Reply #850 on: October 13, 2008, 10:23:56 AM »
I love JTO's passion and intensity but his turnovers are killing us.  Sad
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« Reply #851 on: October 13, 2008, 05:11:59 PM »
That last pick was bad...
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« Reply #852 on: October 13, 2008, 05:19:15 PM »
One thing that JTO has going for him that most successful QB's have, is the support of the team and a great running back in Frank Gore. Even as great as Elway was, he didn't win it all until TD joined the club, and then he was completely content to run the ball if that meant winning.

I hope Martz can get this in his head. Use Gore often if not more. He can win games for us + we get the added bonus of controlling the game clock and keeping the defense fresh.
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« Reply #853 on: October 14, 2008, 06:44:35 AM »
Quote from: twinspapa on October 13, 2008, 05:19:15 PM
I hope Martz can get this in his head. Use Gore often if not more. He can win games for us + we get the added bonus of controlling the game clock and keeping the defense fresh.

He's also on my fantasy team. I wouldn't mind the extra touches.
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« Reply #854 on: October 14, 2008, 07:06:01 AM »
I'm actually not all broken up about JTO's play.  I'm concerned more with the defensive playcalling than anything else.  I agree Gore should have been handed the ball more often in the 4th Quarter.

However, JTO's mistakes (whether we should be throwing it or not) are losing games for us.  He seems to be incapable of taking care of the ball lately.

The other thing that is pissing me off is JTO has been sacked 23 times!  This is not a product of Martz' system, either.  It's not as though Martz is running five guys in the pattern every time.  Davis stays in and blocks, or Gore stays in and blocks, or he looks for a block and then releases, but the line can't hold a block long enough for JTO to get the ball out.  Either that or he's looking downfield too much and not just tossing it to Frank when he can.
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« Reply #855 on: October 14, 2008, 08:51:33 AM »
Quote from: twinspapa on October 13, 2008, 05:19:15 PM
I hope Martz can get this in his head. Use Gore often if not more. He can win games for us + we get the added bonus of controlling the game clock and keeping the defense fresh.

And that's exactly what he did against the Eagles, Twins.
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« Reply #856 on: October 14, 2008, 08:59:44 AM »
JT's play has steadily gone down over the last few games. The Giant game may be the bottom.

Defenses are sitting on Bruce and doubling him and forcing JT to take the checkdown. He has to be patient and keep taking the checkdown. Even go to the checkdown earlier.

JT has compensated for the bad OL play by taking off running more and more. It's a good habit for him to have and he's sustained more than 1 drive with his legs. However, he has started pressing more late in games, trying to make a play when there isn't one there.
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« Reply #857 on: October 14, 2008, 09:52:11 AM »
Quote from: J on October 14, 2008, 08:59:44 AM
JT's play has steadily gone down over the last few games. The Giant game may be the bottom.

Defenses are sitting on Bruce and doubling him and forcing JT to take the checkdown. He has to be patient and keep taking the checkdown. Even go to the checkdown earlier.

JT has compensated for the bad OL play by taking off running more and more. It's a good habit for him to have and he's sustained more than 1 drive with his legs. However, he has started pressing more late in games, trying to make a play when there isn't one there.

There is more film now about JTO and the niners offense in general..so defenses are more prepared and they know that if they apply pressure they are going to get the QB and cause turnovers.
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« Reply #858 on: October 14, 2008, 10:54:26 AM »
It would be interesting if Alex Smith was healthy right now if we would be hearing cries for a switch up at QB. Guess we'll never know
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« Reply #859 on: October 14, 2008, 11:07:59 AM »
JTO had a lousy 4th quarter, there is no sugar coating it, but up until that point he was playing pretty well against a pretty good defense.  After watching the game a 2nd time, I fault him for the 1st int, as he stared down the receiver and was throwing late into the middle of the field which is usually a recipe for disaster.

The fumble is on Joe Staley.  He got beat badly and JT didn't have a chance.

The 2nd int. looked like miscommunication between JT and Issac Bruce.  It looked like JT had a hot read and Bruce didn't pick it up.

Let's be real here:  This guy is playing regularly for the first time in his career.  There are going to be some serious ups and downs, and we are seeing that.
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« Reply #860 on: October 14, 2008, 11:54:04 AM »
I thought he did okay against the Eagles, and they protected him pretty well through three quarters. Then the dam broke for everyone, and JT had his worst moments late. I must say that is the trend that has developed. He needs to toughen up and look for the next play, not get down and make the next play worse.
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« Reply #861 on: October 14, 2008, 02:15:00 PM »
Baby steps, baby steps.
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JT has compensated for the bad OL play by taking off running more and more. It's a good habit for him to have and he's sustained more than 1 drive with his legs. However, he has started pressing more late in games, trying to make a play when there isn't one there.

Yep,JT has what it takes to evade the pass rush and seems to have a good enough arm and several other abilities we have not seen in a QB for quite a while in SF. BUT he seems to be one of those QB's that kill a team with a bad throw at the worst times. Perhaps this is why he was a career backup and perhaps he will be a solid backup for us ? Or hopefully he will repair these glitches in what seems to be a rather good game otherwise ?  6 games into the Martz /JT era and it is obvious that either they just don't have what it takes to be really really good or they are both still learning and feeling their way towards what is hopefully a very good offense. Even Nolan keeps saying that Martz is still trying to find the right players combinations and learn what his players can and cannot do.
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« Reply #863 on: October 15, 2008, 12:45:55 PM »
Maybe these last few games and the next one against the Giants are the best thing that could happen to JTO.

This has been a brutal stretch but I think he can come out of it a better player if he learns from the mistakes he's made against solid teams which will no doubt help us in the 2nd 1/2 of the season.
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« Reply #864 on: October 16, 2008, 04:56:28 PM »
This from Martz today...49ers.com...

“The biggest thing with JT is, he’s never played, he had really no spring work, relatively limited camp work, and he’s running this offense at full-tilt. We haven’t backed off anything or dummied anything down. We’ve just let it all hang out. Some of the stuff we’re running, he’s never ran before. So the decision-making process, he’s going to have some real bad errors occasionally. We’ll overcome them and they’re going to become less and less. I just want him to be real decisive and use his God-given talent to read, react and get the ball out quickly like he can do. He’s going to be as good as there is. I think he’s an exceptional player, but he’s going to have some bumps along the road. I believe he’s only going to continue to get better every week.”
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« Reply #865 on: October 16, 2008, 11:06:14 PM »
That's good to hear although this doesn't bode well for Mr. Big Sub Super Prevent Defense as far as wins go.

Personally, I'm torn about that method. I understand he wants to go full tilt and not dumb down anything, but that could get the guy killed and in the meantime, they look inept against better teams who sniff out that they're playing above their heads and bring the heat.

You know my thought is if he winds up getting badly injured then all this is for naught.

Personally I'd prefer that he did go with a more simplified approach that's not s full tilt and build on successes rather than fire away and hope you hit the enemy approach.

He seems like a tough kid but at some point how do all the mistakes begin to affect the morale of the team?
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« Reply #866 on: October 17, 2008, 09:52:43 AM »
I'm still not convinced JTO isn't going to have 21 INTs by the end of the Season. That we aren't going to be the Lions West. The Worst Part is, the lions would put up more than the 18 TDs JTO is on track to throw.
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« Reply #867 on: October 17, 2008, 11:09:20 AM »
Twins:
It's like we're playing a rookie or a young player. They'll have good moments and bad moments. But you'd expect Martz to try to protect him a little more than he is, both in terms of the OL, the playcalling, and the running game. Then again, Martz doesn't do the expected.

I don't think the offense's morale would be all that bad. Look at the scores in 4 games this year: 33, 31, 21, 26. The offense is putting up points. The offense moved the ball well even in the games we only scored 13 and 17 in.

Then again, the OL's morale could be down as JT as taken a beating this year.

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I think JT will have 20+ INTs this year. At this rate, i'll be surprised if he doesn't.
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« Reply #868 on: October 17, 2008, 11:53:08 AM »
Well, there are no other options, so hopefully JT can cut down the mistakes as he gets a better feel for the games. I hope it's like Garcia in the first year he was here. He played a few games - just awful - was benched for a couple then came back strong. I'm hoping maybe the bye will give him a chance to take a longer look at the film and see what's going on out there. He is making some plays. The offense does look and move the ball infinitely better than last year. But so far JT can't play to the game situation. And I don't like the way he's been getting down when things go wrong. It was one of the main reasons I never felt Alex was much of a leader. Just shake it off and get back out there. I hope he can improve in this area.
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Martz says there's headset problems
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Article Launched: 10/16/2008 08:35:27 PM PDT


SANTA CLARA - Can you hear me now?

The 49ers hope so. Mike Martz revealed Thursday that the 49ers have
had continuing problems with their headsets this season.

In an interview on KNBR radio, the offensive coordinator explained why
quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan sometimes looks out of sorts.

"We've had a real problem with our headset, getting the plays through
there," Martz told hosts Brian Murphy and Paul McCaffrey. "So when it
looks like he's a little confused or we're not getting up there, it's
because it's breaking up on the headset. He can't get the play.

"We've had a real issue there. We're taking steps to get that
resolved, but that has been a major issue with us throughout the
season."

The equipment is supervised by an NFL representative, and the 49ers
are hardly alone with problems this season. A club spokesman said
"most teams" are having some issues on a handful of plays per game and
that the league is helping to resolve the matter.

Coach Mike Nolan told MediaNews that the problems have included home
games. He said he thinks the issue has been fixed as the team heads
for New York to face the Giants on Sunday. But Nolan couldn't say for
sure because part of the problem is that the equipment has responded differently in each stadium.

Martz said the team struggled at Seattle, when the 49ers held on for a 33-30 victory in overtime in one of the NFL's noisiest venues. He recalled six play calls that O'Sullivan never got with the clock winding down.

Those plays sometimes looked chaotic."They're not what they would appear, I guess I would say," Martz said on KNBR. "So we'll work through those. I think there's an answer for
that this week. I think we've resolved that issue."
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And this from Matt M. today...

" QB J.T. O'Sullivan vs. Giants pass defense: O'Sullivan has done a lot of good things since winning the job with an impressive training camp. But there is no denying his struggles in the fourth quarter. He has committed nine turnovers the past two weeks. More than anything, he has to get on the same page as his receivers. Every week there are passes thrown in which the receiver never turns to look for the ball. That happened last week when O'Sullivan tried to hit Arnaz Battle with a hot read late in the game. Battle kept running, while Eagles DE Juqua Parker intercepted the pass and took it back for a TD. Martz said this week that the interception was a result of a "coaching issue" -- something he failed to discuss with O'Sullivan.  "

-Still a work in progress. JT gives me great hope but only if the progress continues . I think it probably will but to what extent is the only question. He is already better than anything we have seen around here for several years ,so he is an improvement even if he doesn't continue to get better. But if he wants to be tqbotf then he will need to have steady improvement as the season goes along and he gets more experience in running this system in games and more experience with his team mates( as will the receivers and the O line and the OC ,!!! They should all get better as a unit the more time they spend together,especially in game situations).
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