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« Reply #810 on: October 02, 2008, 02:03:34 PM »
Quote from: TIM on October 02, 2008, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: D-roc on October 02, 2008, 01:19:05 PM
He does hold the ball to long at times & with solid coaching he can over come that.

I agree that he does ,some times,hold the ball too long,as ALL QB's do.
I just wonder if some of the fans don't understand that in the Martz system he is asked to hold onto the ball longer on several plays than QB's in other systems? When he is criticized for holding the ball too long did the one doing the criticism bother to study that particular play to see if he was just running the play pretty much as it was supposed to be run BUT the O line didn't do their job? Of course he has held the ball too long on a couple of scrambles ,where he should have been more alert to trouble (being out of the protection of the pocket) BUT even then he has made several great plays,some even for TD's ,when he held the ball too long while scrambling.
As Belecheck says,you take the good with the bad (and there has been plenty of good in those situations). As I said ,sometimes when you go bear hunting you get the bear and sometimes he gets you !
JT will hopefully learn to adjust his game a bit to improve on those few times when he holds the ball too long (and bad things happen) . BUT we don't want him to adjust that part of his game so much that he takes away his keep the play alive attitude. Adjust his game a little here and there but don't totally kill the attitude that makes him special.
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I am with you T. you don't want to coach that attitude out of him.  S. Young had it (not comparing), and most of the time it worked out, other times it did not.  I love JTO's competitive fire....

Your on the money when you say that in Martz's scheme the qb has to hold the ball waiting for the receiver to break free prob. on a deep pass.  In those cases the OL has to have some accountability.  When the play has broken down he's made things happen, safe a couple of mistakes on his part.  I will take the mistakes because he's "proven" that he makes smart decision/plays when he breaks the pocket and throws on the run or just runs. 

Those 2 interceptions in the redzone hurt & might have even cost us the game, still as the season goes on and he continues to gain confidence he won't make those type of gafs. 

Not enough is being said about the fact that it takes time to develop chemestry  with new teammates and all things considered he's done a very good job for a first year starter in the NFL.   Hell an argument could be made that he might be our MVP so far in this young season.  He is def. our best FA pick up.  JTO is going to be solid and only improve.  Smiley
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« Reply #811 on: October 02, 2008, 02:25:36 PM »
flacksaw: good points.

Early in McNabb's starting career, Reid used a clock on the sidelines that blew a horn at 4 seconds, to let McNabb know that the ball should be out or he should be running. The repeated use of the clock helped make the 4-second-rule more of a reflex (a clock in your head).We could see that coming with JT--at least we should.

It'll be interesting to see if JT survives the season. At this pace, we'll shatter the Niner record for sacks and we'll likely shatter parts of JT's body.
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« Reply #812 on: October 02, 2008, 02:48:22 PM »
Exactly...there's only so many hits you can take from 300 pounders moving at 20 MPH that a body can endure...Just ask Alex Smith's shoulder about it.  Sooner or later the guy's going to come down "wrong" and somethings gonna give.  I hope I'm wrong....And give Sims' horrendous play last week vs. mediocre players I'm worried....VERY WORRIED about this weekend.  Say what you like about Jennings but when healthy he's pretty solid.

I agree w/ another post that said that we'd be better off w/ Snyder at RT in place of Sims, then let either Baas or Rachal take Snyder's place at LG.  But we know that'll never happen w/ Nolan at the helm...it takes a catastrophic injury for him to make roster changes.  I hope I'm wrong.....
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« Reply #813 on: October 02, 2008, 02:52:16 PM »
Quote from: KS_Niner on October 02, 2008, 01:51:08 PM
"see KS, I recognize that JT makes mistakes"

Yes, TIM, you do. Everyone does. But then you turnaround and list a myriad of reasons either justifying those mistakes or explaining why we shouldn't hold him accountable for them (inexperience, Martz's system, touchdown passes where he held the ball too long, the OL not blocking well enough, etc, etc, etc, etc).

What I'm saying is that we should stop making excuses for the guy.

KS: I don't think I am making excuses for JT at all. I do think I mention a point of view that perhaps others do not think about. When they say JT holds the ball to long ,I just don't see that as a general truth,sometimes yes,all the time ,NO.
 I am not making an excuse for JT but defending him against what I see a semi-false generalizations. Sure he holds the ball too long at times,not all THAT much but perhaps a little too much. And so do all the other 31 starting QB's at times. JT needs to adjust his game as he learns and I think he will (and has ). When I say JT has little experience I think that is an obvious truth that some fans are overlooking when they rip JT for some of his mental mistakes. Call that an excuse if you wish but unless he is still making those mistakes next year I WILL cut him some slack for his lack of experience.
And of course it is not an excuse that the O line blocking breaks down all too often(especially in the Martz system that often requires better and longer blocking and not worse blocking) ,unfortunately it is all to often just the truth that someone on the O line has failed to do his job as well as JT is doing his (for the most part).

I am sometimes searching for "reasons" why things are happening and NOT trying to make "excuses" for anyone.
But do I think JT is doing a really good job overall? YES. I see the mistakes but I also see reasons beyond JT's control on some of the problems.
If JT keeps making the same mistakes over and over for the entire year and then starts next year without improving,or even regresses,then defending that would be making excuses (like it had become for the former starting QB ) .
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« Reply #814 on: October 02, 2008, 03:33:05 PM »
Quote from: TIM on October 02, 2008, 02:52:16 PM
When they say JT holds the ball to long ,I just don't see that as a general truth,sometimes yes,all the time ,NO.
 I am not making an excuse for JT but defending him against what I see a semi-false generalizations.

NOBODY is claiming these mistakes are huge, insurmountable or ever-present, so this is not about the severity of the mistakes.  You don't have to continually list excuses (that's what they are, TIM, no matter the label you choose to attach to them) for the guy because nobody is taking these criticisms to the heights you imply they are.  All we are saying is that he holds the ball too long, you are the one that seems to think somebody said "he ALWAYS holds the ball too long" (when nobody has said anything anywhere close to that).  Why don't you point to a play where he held onto the ball too long instead of vaguely agreeing that he does it on occasion, and then listing all the "reasons" he did so when we tallk about specific plays?

Funny how those same "reasons" were "excuses" when applied to Alex, though - huh.  (or should I say "Alexcuse"?  LOL)
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« Reply #815 on: October 02, 2008, 03:38:15 PM »
I want to see JT learn and improve, that's all. I didn't necessarily like his body language after the interceptions last weekend, so I'm looking for something better in the future there as well. And yeah, we're probably all (or most of us) making some excuses for JT. Because think about it - if he can't get something done this year, what choice do we really have?
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« Reply #816 on: October 02, 2008, 03:56:33 PM »
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Funny how those same "reasons" were "excuses" when applied to Alex, though - huh. (or should I say "Alexcuse"? LOL)

NO,not at all KS. I thought I addressed that in my previous post?  I said that IF JT regresses and falls apart and then continues to play poorly into next season I will be the first to call attention to his failure.
BUT KS,there is a HUGE difference between "reasons" why things might be happening and they MIGHT not be JT's fault or at least not all his fault...AND "excuses" which are things crybabies spew out when they don't want to take responsibility for their own actions but try to shove it off on others to cover their butt.
If you think I have been making excuses for JT for the same type of things that I was ripping Smith for ,then you are just flat out wrong,BIG TIME !!!
I hung in there with Smith for a long long time and tried to search for "reasons" why he stunk. When those reasons turned into phony excuses is when I changed and turned more harsh on Smith.
If JT doesn't improve on some of his bad habits ,then I will turn more harsh on him also (but maybe I will wait as long as I did in the Smith case,which would in this case mean I would start really ripping JT in about 2010,lol ). JT is soooooooo much better than Smith that JT has to really take a turn for the worse before I stop looking for "reasons" and start ripping. I hope I will not make "excuses" .  Reasons and excuses are NOT the same thing.
Heck,I didn't even make excuses for Hill,and I still love Hill BUT when it became obvious that his arm was not adequate ,I said so. Up until that time I was looking for a possible reason why he didn't seem to have good arm strength. I "reasoned" that perhaps his broken finger on his throwing hand was possibly holding him back. When his finger healed and he was still arm strength challenged,I refused to make any excuse for his inability to throw deep.
I don't do excuses !!!
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think about it - if he can't get something done this year, what choice do we really have?

We have the choice to root for our QB to do well and win games BUT that doesn't mean if our QB stinks that we should make excuses for him.
Tell it like it is and then we can still hope things improve. Don't lie and cover up and hide our heads in the sand ,just to cover for a guy you wish could play better.  Hope for him to play better BUT tell it like it is in your opinion.
I don't try to sugarcoat anything,I just try to look at all sides of issues and look for reasons why things are as they are or why they look the way they look.
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« Reply #817 on: October 02, 2008, 04:51:13 PM »
 Shocked Shocked I thought that my previous post might bring a "calming" influence" to this thread, my bad! Lips sealed Undecided Cry Kiss
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« Reply #818 on: October 02, 2008, 05:00:57 PM »
That's it, TIM?  Really?  All you want to address is the last sentence of my post?  I gotta say am disappointed in you..

Inexperience, poor OL play, poor WR play, poor playcalling, those are all the "reasons" JTO makes mistakes and the "excuses" crybabies use for Alex.  Amazing how they are the exact same things.
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« Reply #819 on: October 02, 2008, 06:41:18 PM »
Quote from: KS_Niner on October 02, 2008, 05:00:57 PM
That's it, TIM? Really? All you want to address is the last sentence of my post? I gotta say am disappointed in you..

Inexperience, poor OL play, poor WR play, poor playcalling, those are all the "reasons" JTO makes mistakes and the "excuses" crybabies use for Alex. Amazing how they are the exact same things.

But KS,you keep ignoring the fact that JT is playing better than Alex ever did.
I did look for reasons why Alex stunk. I did say all those things about Alex,that the O line was poor and he was inexperienced etc etc.

What you want to do is equate the two QB's.It can't be done.
If you want to start calling these things excuses then you need to wait a couple more years,if you want to be fair. I waited a couple of years and then saw those things as excuses but when I first brought them up for Alex I was wondering if it was Alex or if it was all these other things.
I am asking the same things now about JT. Wait two more years and then if JT has not improved then I may very well be ripping him and saying what I had hoped was a reason was in reality an excuse,like I did with Alex.
It seems to ,me that you are being very unfair to JT by already calling these questions "excuses".
Alex had his chance and I gave him more than his fair share of chances before I turned around. I am now arguing with you the same way I always was arguing with the Alex bashers . Be fair,wait before judgement . Don't make excuses for a guy who has only started 4 games but on the other hand if he doesn't shape up and it becomes clearer (like with Alex) that it is indeed JT's fault (like we now know most of it was just that Alex was not very good) then ,at that time we can say that from now on ,if we use those reasons then they are JUST excuses and not reasons.

After saying all that I think the comparison of Alex and JT is not apples and apples but apples and oranges.
Because Alex never looked as good as JT does. Alex never showed the possible and promise as JT does . So therefore no matter how may mistakes JT makes it is very different because the things that JT does right are things that Alex never did well ,while JT does do a few things wrong that Alex also did but has about 1/10 the NFL experience as Alex had. So if JT keeps doing the things well that he does well now and fixes about 1/2 of the problems he is having then he will be 100 times the QB that Alex was when I started calling those "excuses" excuses.
Of course this is all my personal opinion and if you don't like my opinion and are "disappointed " in me ,then buddy, that's just tough !!!  Shocked    Wink Grin

This is not life or death,just dumb bored fans with too much time on their hands (especially me ).
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« Reply #820 on: October 02, 2008, 06:44:25 PM »
Quote from: TIM on October 02, 2008, 05:58:02 PM
But KS,you keep ignoring the fact that JT is playing better than Alex ever did.

Either you've never read my posts about JTO or you are choosing to deliberately misrepresent my position - I don't know which, and (frankly) I don't really care either.

I am disappointed in you TIM because normally you can logically defend your position.  In this case, however, your attitude is basically "they're not excuses because I say they aren't".  So I will continue to be disappointed that you can't provide a convincing argument.  I guess that's just tough, LOL.

You can't cite poor OL play (or whatever other excuse you want to name) as an excuse for one QB and a reason for another - its just that simple.  Poor OL play 4 games into a career is the same as poor OL 4 years into a career.  Twist and restate the same things all you want - you can't change that.
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« Reply #821 on: October 02, 2008, 07:00:38 PM »
From Matt M. today...

 . . The 49ers' offense is 97.2 yards better per game than last season. The last team with that large of an increase (over a full season) was Martz's 121.3 improvement with the 1999 St. Louis Rams. . . . J.T. O'Sullivan ranks among the top deep passers in the NFL after four games. On passes thrown 21 yards or longer in the air, O'Sullivan has completed 62.5 percent and has a passer rating of 127.1. O'Sullivan is 10 of 16 for 318 yards and a touchdown on those passes.

---I have never seen anyone turn things on their head quite so much as you have in this thread KS. Why do you care so much that you want to argue,even when I agree with you or even when I try to explain how you are misunderstanding my point of view. ? I guess you will need to remain disappointed.  So sad . but then there is no rule that says YOU need to be satisfied with my posts or even my answers to your questions. I repeat,if you are not happy with my posts ,TOUGH !!! Next time I will hopefully know not to try to explain things to you,since you just want to judge others and are not happy until they conform to your definitions and outlooks on things.
Once again,by MY definition of the word "excuse" I don't use excuses,period. I do try to find reasons that might explain some questions about why players play the way they do.That's very very different. If you are still disappointed then maybe you should leave me alone and look up the word in the dictionary? And then go argue with Mr. Webster !!!
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And this to round out the stats from Matt M. ...

 I don't have JTO's numbers in the red zone. But the 49ers rank 21st in red-zone offense. They've had 14 red-zone possessions and scored 61 points, with six TDs and six FGs. That's a 42.9 TD percentage, and an 85.7 scoring pct. --Matt M.
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« Reply #822 on: October 02, 2008, 09:13:25 PM »
J.T. has now completed his first 4 starts with over 900 yards passing and a 90.0 rating.  Hail to the new QB in town.  That's an excellent performance.
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« Reply #823 on: October 02, 2008, 11:00:52 PM »
JTO's biggest concern is that our one ton of beef Oline+VD is going to allow him three seconds to make a read and throw.

He can improve on scanning the field and reading receivers 1-4 each play. He just needs to know that he has 3 seconds to do it and when he reaches three and there isn't a good throw to make; he 1) pulls the pigskin towards his chest and heads downfield. 2) throws the pigskin out of bounds to rehuddle for the next play.
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« Reply #824 on: October 02, 2008, 11:37:54 PM »
That would make everyone's job, especially his, easier if he could do that. I agree he really needs to make his reads quickly and if nothing's there and he sees a lane to take off then do it, otherwise he needs to throw it away.

Since I haven't been able to watch the last 2 games I'm wondering, are there any designed roll outs being called? I believe that would help buy him an extra second or so, and just as important, at least the OLINE would know where he was going rather than reacting (or not) because he takes off unexpectedly.
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« Reply #825 on: October 03, 2008, 03:49:40 AM »
Quote from: KS_Niner on October 02, 2008, 03:33:05 PM
Quote from: TIM on October 02, 2008, 02:52:16 PM
When they say JT holds the ball to long ,I just don't see that as a general truth,sometimes yes,all the time ,NO.
 I am not making an excuse for JT but defending him against what I see a semi-false generalizations.

NOBODY is claiming these mistakes are huge, insurmountable or ever-present, so this is not about the severity of the mistakes.  You don't have to continually list excuses (that's what they are, TIM, no matter the label you choose to attach to them) for the guy because nobody is taking these criticisms to the heights you imply they are.  All we are saying is that he holds the ball too long, you are the one that seems to think somebody said "he ALWAYS holds the ball too long" (when nobody has said anything anywhere close to that).  Why don't you point to a play where he held onto the ball too long instead of vaguely agreeing that he does it on occasion, and then listing all the "reasons" he did so when we tallk about specific plays?

Funny how those same "reasons" were "excuses" when applied to Alex, though - huh.  (or should I say "Alexcuse"?  LOL)

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That's it, TIM?  Really?  All you want to address is the last sentence of my post?  I gotta say am disappointed in you..

Inexperience, poor OL play, poor WR play, poor playcalling, those are all the "reasons" JTO makes mistakes and the "excuses" crybabies use for Alex.  Amazing how they are the exact same things.

wooooo, I was waiting for this. I knew someone would say it before i got to end of this thread lol

I agree with you KS. That's not saying I'm on Smith or JT side. I'm supporting JT because he is our QB and he has shown me some things. I think he can be a very good QB, as do most people. I think we need to get faster as a team. From the QB all the way to the OL(and on Defense). When WR's play fasters the QB can get the ball out faster, which leaves the OL more time to block. But, that's been an issue for years, that didnt just start happening this year...

But I will say THIS(you know I had too!) I just dont think it's fair for people to say it's ok for JT but call it an excuse for Smith. People complained about Smith holding on the ball too long, and that he shouldnt be doing that cause he has a lot of starting experience, correct? Well have we took into account that he DID have a different offense every year? Martz offense is a pretty difficult one. JT has been in it longer than any other QB, yet he still holds onto the ball too long at times. Smith just got in the offense about 6 months ago(?), yet he still got tagged with the "hold on to the ball" too long "excuse all preseason. If it goes for one, it has to go for the other...

I will say that I've been yelling for JT to run more. He did it against the Lions, but reverted back to his Arizona game ways and hung in the pocket too long, or ran east and west  instead of turning it up the field
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« Reply #826 on: October 03, 2008, 05:40:37 AM »
The fact is that under a Martz system, every QB HAS to hold on to the ball for a long time.  It's the way his system is structured.  Over the years, Martz's QBs always have a high number of sacks.  J.T. has no choice but to hold on to the ball a long time as Martz's system requires it as many of the patterns are slow-developing.
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« Reply #827 on: October 03, 2008, 07:49:26 AM »
Folks, if I'd told you before the season that we'd be 2-2, have a QB with a season rating of 90, J.Smith 2 sacks - Haralson 3 sacks - Green 2 sacks, almost everyone would have been thrilled.  Why aren't we thrilled? 

Is it b/c our expectations went up after the season started?  If so, what caused them to go up? I think I know.
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« Reply #828 on: October 03, 2008, 07:53:59 AM »
so now its ok to hold on to the ball longer? Wasnt that one of the biggest gripes about smith this preseason? J i think most people are happy. I still think we are a .500 team tho
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« Reply #829 on: October 03, 2008, 08:12:01 AM »
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Folks, if I'd told you before the season that we'd be 2-2, have a QB with a season rating of 90, J.Smith 2 sacks - Haralson 3 sacks - Green 2 sacks, almost everyone would have been thrilled.  Why aren't we thrilled? 

Is it b/c our expectations went up after the season started?  If so, what caused them to go up? I think I know.


The only thing that bothers me is the 19 sacks and 6 JTO turnovers
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« Reply #830 on: October 03, 2008, 09:36:17 AM »
Harv: then, you should be happy otherwise. The best QB play we've had in 4 years. 90+ more yards per game than last year. 9 more points per game than last year.

Yes, more sacks were expected, but not this many. JT has 3 INTs and 4 TDs and a 90 season rating so far. Does he have room for improvement?  Sure, plenty, but the guy just finished his 4th career start--i'd expect him to need improvement.
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Harv: then, you should be happy otherwise. The best QB play we've had in 4 years. 90+ more yards per game than last year. 9 more points per game than last year.

Using last year as a measuring stick is stupid, imo.
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« Reply #832 on: October 03, 2008, 01:03:12 PM »
Harv: then use the last 4 years, b/c using the Niners of the 80's and 90's is equally inapplicable.

Or you could use the real measuring stick--the rest of the NFL. The Offense is middle of the pack, so the offense is better, overall, than half the NFL. It is indisputable that we have a big-play offense that can actually pass the ball, while still getting yardage on the ground. It's been years since Niner fans could make such a statement. A major reason for optimism, and imo, the major reason for the fans' dissatisfaction with the offense's results this year (i.e. complaining about too many sacks rather than an inability to pass the ball).

Yes, more sacks than expected. JT has 3 INTs and 4 TDs and a 90 season rating so far. Does he have room for improvement?  Sure, plenty, but the guy just finished his 4th career start--i'd expect him to need improvement.
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« Reply #833 on: October 03, 2008, 05:42:47 PM »
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Folks, if I'd told you before the season that we'd be 2-2, have a QB with a season rating of 90, J.Smith 2 sacks - Haralson 3 sacks - Green 2 sacks, almost everyone would have been thrilled.  Why aren't we thrilled? 

Is it b/c our expectations went up after the season started?  If so, what caused them to go up? I think I know.

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« Reply #834 on: October 03, 2008, 06:56:50 PM »
Quote from: J on October 03, 2008, 07:49:26 AM
Folks, if I'd told you before the season that we'd be 2-2, have a QB with a season rating of 90, J.Smith 2 sacks - Haralson 3 sacks - Green 2 sacks, almost everyone would have been thrilled. Why aren't we thrilled?

Is it b/c our expectations went up after the season started? If so, what caused them to go up? I think I know.


A lot of people were expecting to be 2-2 at this point of the season. What we are not expecting is to be .500 at the bye.
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Re: John Thomas O'Sullivan
« Reply #835 on: October 03, 2008, 07:08:48 PM »
JTO has 4 games of NFL experience.... essentially he's a rookie.
So keep in mind that if this guy was a 2008 draft pick... we'd already have him crowned as the next great thing... and be more inclined to justify and overlook his turnovers and tendency to hold the ball too long.   JTO is a player, I'm glad we got him, I just hope we can develop better protection and increase his confidence.  It will speak volumes for him and the team if he remains healthy for all 16 starts.
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Re: John Thomas O'Sullivan
« Reply #836 on: October 03, 2008, 07:40:51 PM »
Quote from: nate_64_9ers on October 03, 2008, 07:08:48 PM
It will speak volumes for him and the team if he remains healthy for all 16 starts.
And one year closer to Brett Favre games played streak Wink

Attention Oline:  block for JT like he was Joe!!!Play your hearts out boys. JT gives results

49ers quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan is 10-of-16 on passes that travel at least 21 yards in the air. That's the highest such completion percentage in the NFL, according to figures compiled by the 49ers media relations department. Buffalo's Trent Edwards (8-of-16) is the only other quarterback to hit on at least 50 percent of long passes. ... Linebacker Tully Banta-Cain will suit up for the first time this season, Nolan said. With Manny Lawson (hamstring) out, Parys Haralson will start, with Banta-Cain backing up.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_10622545?source=most_viewed
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Re: John Thomas O'Sullivan
« Reply #837 on: October 04, 2008, 10:45:47 AM »
J.T. O'Sullivan needs to throw the ball. He's got a really quick release, but he relies on it too heavily, so he's apt to get crunched and/or have throws altered when pressure comes.

http://games.espn.go.com/frontpage/breakdown
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Re: John Thomas O'Sullivan
« Reply #838 on: October 06, 2008, 09:22:22 AM »
I hate to say it but suddenly JTO's great games against Seattle and Detroit don't like so good seeing as both of those teams are terrible.  JTO's turnovers, along with Nolan's poor coaching, have been the common denominator in all 3 losses.
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Re: John Thomas O'Sullivan
« Reply #839 on: October 06, 2008, 10:30:17 AM »
He had a problem with the TO's, and totally stared down the receiver on a couple of them, but I thought he did a much better job of making his decisions quicker, running instead of sitting in the pocket, and throwing the ball away as opposed to taking a sack.  Belichicks defenses are confusing to grizzled veterans, nevermind a guy like JT.  I didn't like the picks, but overall I saw some more positive growth from him yesterday.
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