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« Reply #720 on: September 22, 2008, 10:49:11 AM »
I still say Alex Who?  If you thought I was serious, my friend, ... Poor Cap.  He hates JT who is making him eat his words on a weekly basis. 
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« Reply #721 on: September 22, 2008, 10:52:52 AM »
So next year...Holmgren as our GM to hold the reins over Martz, our HC, to hold the reins over JTO, our starting QB?

And after the election, Nolan can surely find a job as a White House press secretary.

And BTW, I can like JTO without hating Smith.  I find it funny that you MJ, who on multiple posts have jumped on members for bad-mouthing 49er players, constantly degrade and demean Smith, who has sacrificed so much to try and be our 49er quarterback.  Did it work out?  At this point it is safe to say no, but I find the statements people to be making about Alex speak volumes about their character.

Oh, and just because JTO worked out doesn't mean Nolan still isn't a horrible HC.
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« Reply #722 on: September 22, 2008, 10:58:07 AM »
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And BTW, I can like JTO without hating Smith.  I find it funny that you MJ, who on multiple posts have jumped on members for bad-mouthing 49er players, constantly degrade and demean Smith, who has sacrificed so much to try and be our 49er quarterback.  Did it work out?  At this point it is safe to say no, but I find the statements people to be making about Alex speak volumes about their character.

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« Reply #723 on: September 22, 2008, 11:25:30 AM »
wcg:
I agree. How does Martz do it? Green, Warner, Bulger . . . O'Sullivan?  It's the Twilight Zone. It's as though a humble pedigree is a prerequisite for success in the Martz system. The worse your background, the better you do! Warner was the ultimate nobody (undrafted, AFL, NFLE) and he ended up an NFL MVP.

JT does look the part. He's shown far more mobility than I thought he had--running for several 1st downs, escaping the rush, gaining a few yards instead of taking the sack.  Consistently accurate. If the Niners had drafted him sometime in the last 3 years, rather him being a journeyman cast-off, the Niner faithful would be calling JT the next great Niner QB. Instead, there is this reserved, cautious acceptance of the best Qb play we've had in 3 or 4 years. Weird.

He was up and down in Arizona, a good game but too many TO's. He had a very good game against a good Seattle defense. No need to throw much v. the Lions b/c we were up 21-3 at halftime--but 2 TD passes and a 100+ QB rating is a very good game. He's ran for 1st downs and just makes things happen. As long as he doesn't press it and try to do too much, this guy could be headed to the pro bowl.

He has to be priority #1 in the offseason. If Martz stays, so will JT.  That means we MUST keep Martz at all costs--even if we fire Nolan (PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN!!), and promote Martz to HC (something i'm not thrilled about).
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« Reply #724 on: September 22, 2008, 11:51:41 AM »
Quote from: 9erLikeWoah on September 22, 2008, 10:52:52 AM
And BTW, I can like JTO without hating Smith. I find it funny that you MJ, who on multiple posts have jumped on members for bad-mouthing 49er players, constantly degrade and demean Smith, who has sacrificed so much to try and be our 49er quarterback. Did it work out? At this point it is safe to say no, but I find the statements people to be making about Alex speak volumes about their character.

Sorry if I go OOT however I wouldn't use the word sacrifice describing Smith's job. 

Please let's not make of Smith a martyr. He did not come here for free, and last time I checked he is still one of the higher paid QB's in the league. He was just the wrong person for these niners, or maybe the right person at the wrong time.
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« Reply #725 on: September 22, 2008, 12:22:32 PM »
MJ is a big boy who can defend himself but would like to say this: MJ's often very harsh words are mainly on Alex Smith the QB, not Alex Smith the person. While MJ does it in a way which is quite nasty sometimes, that's an important difference.

Personally, I think many fans - me included - can't escape the felling that Alex Smith has drained our team for millions of $ and not given much in return. That causes frustration - nothing wrong with that.

And I agree with J. JTO has actually already played against pretty good Ds in Arizona and Seattle and done quite well. Let's see what happens against Philly and the Pats. At least we can now look forward to those two games with something other than pure dread - and that's a new feeling!  Cheesy
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« Reply #726 on: September 22, 2008, 12:32:22 PM »
I agree J.  Martz has to be kept, and although like you I'm not completely sold on his abilities as HC, the fact he is able to transform an offense this drastically is reason enough to give him the job if that is what it takes.  If it comes down to firing Nolan in order to keep Martz, the decision should take all of 3 seconds...just enough time to say "see ya Nolan."
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« Reply #727 on: September 22, 2008, 12:45:42 PM »
Quote from: DC9er on September 21, 2008, 07:50:04 PM
Yes, he's looking really good right now. I really like what he's doing, and I hope he can keep it up, but I want to see him do it against a real defense. ...

...I'm as happy as anyone else. Again, don't get me wrong. I'm not all anti-JTO. I'm just curious what happens when a team that is built around its D comes to town.

This week is about the D. Reggie Bush had his coming out party against us. I hope we can stuff him and Shockey this week.

I think we all still have in the back of our minds that he needs to do what he has been doing consistently and even though we don't expect him to have a QB rating if 123 against the better defenses ,we are hoping he remains consistent in his performance. 3 games do not a Pro Bowl QB make .   But then again let's not get negative about what looks like the best QB we have had in many years . He looks steady and certainly doesn't look like one of those guys who will fall apart under pressure.

AND let's not forget that the Seahawks defense was at full strength and they are not bad.

And if Nolan will have his defense actually cover the TE then perhaps Shockey won't kill us ? One of their top WR's is supposed to be out of the game with injury so does that mean Nolan will bench Manny again  Tongue Embarrassed .? If they get another WR injured I guess we will be playing dime coverage all day ?  Tongue  .
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MJ's often very harsh words are mainly on Alex Smith the QB, not Alex Smith the person. While MJ does it in a way which is quite nasty sometimes, that's an important difference.


Exactly Hojer,that is a HUGE difference  !  I have said that several times in defense of my comments about Smith. I have consistently said that Smith has class and has shown toughness etc etc but that I just didn't like the way he played football when he was 100% healthy. No knock on Smith the man and no hate except that I hate to watch my team with Smith at QB. jmho.  I am no longer hating to watch my team with JT as the QB ,as a matter of fact I am rather enjoying it !
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« Reply #728 on: September 22, 2008, 01:06:27 PM »
Quote from: TIM on September 22, 2008, 12:45:42 PM
I am no longer hating to watch my team with JT as the QB ,as a matter of fact I am rather enjoying it !.

I think we are all in that boat TIM...at least I hope we are.  After all...we are all 49ers fans last I checked! 
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« Reply #729 on: September 22, 2008, 03:21:51 PM »
Quote from: NOLAninerfan on September 22, 2008, 11:51:41 AM
Please let's not make of Smith a martyr. He did not come here for free, and last time I checked he is still one of the higher paid QB's in the league. He was just the wrong person for these niners, or maybe the right person at the wrong time.
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Hellblazer says: Also. On the actual field JT was far more mobile than Smith.

Harv says:
Guys, JTO played great, probably better than Alex ever had, but to say he showed more mobility than Smith has is stupid.  He had a couple of good runs but he also took sacks on plays that Smith would have escaped

My response today:
Sure, Smith would have escaped (if he wasn’t touched. Smith lacks JT’s ability to have a chance to break an actual tackle) only to run diagonal and backwards away from the line of scrimmage to ground the ball at the RBs feet.

Harv, now do you see what I meant? I was referring to functional mobility on the football field or in other word actual production or effectiveness. Combine and practice speed only goes so far. Smith was mobile but he was "twitchy," had happy feet, or as Tim so eloquently put it, "gets spooked."

JT is averaging almost one more yard per carry than Smith and on pace to have more rushing yards this season than Smith has in his entire career. Do the math. I already have.

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« Reply #730 on: September 22, 2008, 03:37:35 PM »
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My response today:
Sure, Smith would have escaped (if he wasn’t touched. Smith lacks JT’s ability to have a chance to break an actual tackle) only to run diagonal and backwards away from the line of scrimmage to ground the ball at the RBs feet.

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Harv, now do you see what I meant? I was referring to functional mobility on the football field or in other word actual production or effectiveness. Combine and practice speed only goes so far. Smith was mobile but he was "twitchy," had happy feet, or as Tim so eloquently put it, "gets spooked."

I still don't see JTO as more mobile than Smith.  Smith was obviously twitchy, and who wouldn't have been after his rookie season, but he usually only ran when he had to.

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JT is averaging almost one more yard per carry than Smith and on pace to have more rushing yards this season than Smith has in his entire career. Do the math. I already have.

Why was it not about stats when I brought up Alex Smith's stats to show they were comparable to JTO's if it is about stats now?  Double standard much. 

I don't know why you even brought up a post from a week ago, though.  The Alex Smith era is over and there is no need to bring him up again but when someone unfairly insults his play I am going to defend it.
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« Reply #731 on: September 22, 2008, 04:17:16 PM »
If JTO continues to perform at this level....... Do we reward him up w/ a contract extension before the season ends?

Such a development "could" give some stability (and answers) to an otherwise cloudy and confused long-term future.....
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« Reply #732 on: September 22, 2008, 04:27:51 PM »
Quote from: nate_64_9ers on September 22, 2008, 04:17:16 PM
If JTO continues to perform at this level....... Do we reward him up w/ a contract extension before the season ends?

Such a development "could" give some stability (and answers) to an otherwise cloudy and confused long-term future.....

We cant, he signed a 1 year deal. we have to wait till the offseason to resign him
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« Reply #733 on: September 22, 2008, 11:47:44 PM »
"Who can make a play? ... I can !"
"Who can make a play? ... I can !"

Remember those words from TO? They could quite easily be attributed to JTO  - except he is a tough as nails, no frills, hard hat & lunch pale QB that is fighting and srapping to make it in the NFL. Gotta love that !

Looks like Mike Martz has sprinkled his magic dust on another QB sleeper. Thank heavens for his eye for talent ..... he didn't like what he saw from Smith & Hill and he hitched his wagon to the 3rd stringer with potential, some fire in his belly and the strength of character to be a leader. All of a sudden we have an offensive gameplan that moves the ball and playmakers on the field. This is great to watch !!

I know the season is only 3 weeks old and we have tougher games to come but the 49ers are playing entertaining offensive football and I LOVE IT !!

Detroit are poor but to beat the Seahawks in Seattle was awesome. The offense and defense are both making big plays at important times.

btw .. I like Alex Smith's attitude in dealing with his latest setback - he is attending practice & meetings and is still trying to learn the offence. Maybe there is still a small chance he stays as our No. 2 QB at a reduced salary. He could sit and learn for a few years? We'll see ..
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« Reply #734 on: September 23, 2008, 06:01:19 AM »
Frankly, Alex Smith is old news.  He can't carry J.T.'s jock strap.  He should sit and watch J.T. for the rest of the season and he may actually learn something from a real QB.
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« Reply #735 on: September 23, 2008, 07:28:09 AM »
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Frankly, Alex Smith is old news. He can't carry J.T.'s jock strap.

I don't think his shoulder is THAT bad, MJ...good job remembering his name today.
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« Reply #736 on: September 23, 2008, 10:16:13 AM »
Yes Alex Smith made money, but the team also poorly spent the money in the way it handled him.  Listen to Tony Romo and Aaron Rodgers - both of them said sitting for the first 3 years was the best thing that could have happened to them.  Look at JTO - he sat for 7 years, lol.  This organization made an absolute botch of developing a young, intelligent, athletically gifted and talented QB.
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« Reply #737 on: September 23, 2008, 10:33:57 AM »
The Niners are not the only organization to have botched their first round QB picks.  It's all about the money.  They pay these kids millions who have not earned it yet, and many will not.  Ending NFL Europe was a short-sighted blunder by the NFL who needs a developmental league for guys like J.T. and so many more to develop.  How many #1 picks can survive the kind of pressure they are put under to produce in the first 2 years or so?  J.T.  has the maturity and attitude that comes from being fired 7 times even though you know you're just as good at the golden boys who are picked at #1.
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« Reply #738 on: September 23, 2008, 01:41:33 PM »
Harv:
 I believe that both JT and Hill are more FUNCTIONALLY mobile than the previous starting QB ever was. I even think that in game situations both of the other guys would defeat the former starter in a race ,in the first 5 yards of a scramble(when it really counts ,to get away from the rush).
The former starters hesitation did not only effect his passing game but also his scrambling ,big time .
Just responding to this exchange between you and Blazer,not me intending to rip the former #1 pick , JMHO ,like your post is only your humble opinion .
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« Reply #739 on: September 23, 2008, 02:16:49 PM »
Like you said, everyone has their opinion.
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« Reply #740 on: September 23, 2008, 02:24:36 PM »
Quote from: 49ersHarv on September 23, 2008, 02:16:49 PM
Like you said, everyone has their opinion.

That's why I decided to put that JMHO in my sig,so that in case I forget to say it is only my opinion ,it will always be there for all to see.
Of course most of what we post is just our opinions. I enjoy reading other's opinions and often learn things I didn't know and often see other perspectives on things that I might not have ever thought of.
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« Reply #741 on: September 23, 2008, 02:34:55 PM »
Look, guys.  We all know that everything posted here is just our opinion and we post links and CAPS for emphasis.  Is that so hard to understand that we have to post after post apologizing for our posts? B-O-R-I-N-G!   Get over it, IMO! and respond to the topic, please.  This is a Niner message board, NOT Dr. Phil.  Any opinions on my post, or Tim's?  Any original thoughts?
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« Reply #742 on: September 23, 2008, 02:39:47 PM »
I agree with everything you said in your post, MJ.  You can't expect a 20 year old kid to come in and lead a bad NFL team, which is usually the case when the QB is drafted in the first round, to victories.  The pressure is just too much
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« Reply #743 on: September 23, 2008, 02:44:16 PM »
This ISN'T dr. Phil ?   Thank goodness,I hate that show!  JMHO,lol
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« Reply #744 on: September 24, 2008, 11:31:14 AM »
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If JTO continues to perform at this level....... Do we reward him up w/ a contract extension before the season ends?

Such a development "could" give some stability (and answers) to an otherwise cloudy and confused long-term future.....

I say we absolutely should reward him/lock him up long term if he keeps this up the rest of the way.  I would be shocked if Scotty let him even sniff fa. 
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« Reply #745 on: September 24, 2008, 12:23:01 PM »
D: But it has been reported that we cannot lock him up until he is already in free agency.

 Does anyone completely understand the timing ?  I am pretty sure M.M. said we could not sign him to a new deal until his 1 year contract runs out. Do we have a period between when his contract runs out and the time free agents are available to any team ,to exclusively negotiate with our own free agent ? When JT's contract runs out after this season is over and IF Martz leaves to be another team's HC, that just so happens to need a starting QB ...  Let;s just say I am a bit worried about how this plays out !
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« Reply #746 on: September 24, 2008, 12:28:00 PM »
I am concerned about that as well T. yet I just do not think that Scotty will allow Martz to leave even if that means letting Nolan walk and making Martz the coach. 

Not sure how JTO's contract works.  There are mixed reports our there..... I have read that we can lock him up during the season.  I hope we read something concrete on this soon.
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« Reply #747 on: September 24, 2008, 01:34:40 PM »
I know we can't sign him to a deal until FA starts, but I doubt Scotty lets him get to the start of FA without a negotiated deal in place that he can sign at 12:01 the night FA starts.  I don't think the rules say you can't negotiate before that point (would that be tampering with our own player? LOL) - just that deal can't be signed before that point.
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« Reply #748 on: September 24, 2008, 01:42:30 PM »
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I know we can't sign him to a deal until FA starts, but I doubt Scotty lets him get to the start of FA without a negotiated deal in place that he can sign at 12:01 the night FA starts. I don't think the rules say you can't negotiate before that point (would that be tampering with our own player? LOL) - just that deal can't be signed before that point.

Watch out,the Commish might fine us and give one of our picks to the Bears.

But IF Martz has been hired away to a team that needs a starting QB,then maybe JT thinks twice before he signs that contract at 12:01 am.
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« Reply #749 on: September 24, 2008, 02:19:54 PM »
J.T. is playing for his favorite team since childhood, the ONLY one that has given him an opportunity.  He'll be signed, sealed and delivered and Martz won't be going anywhere.
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