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« Reply #660 on: September 17, 2008, 08:33:13 AM »
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After Smith got Vernon's leg snapped a couple years ago...

Umm... how exactly did that happen? As I recall, VD got hurt while the Eagles were returning a fumble recovery.

 It was a late pass over the middle and Vernon caught it over the shoulder, planted his leg, and there was a Polamalu spiking him in the kneecap. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3034863

Davis was hurt on a play that might have turned Sunday's game in the Steelers' favor in the third quarter. With the 49ers down by 11 points, Davis leaped to make a 22-yard catch at the Pittsburgh 10, but dropped the ball while hitting the ground on a hit by safety Troy Polamalu.

The Steelers claimed they recovered a fumble, while the 49ers were sure Davis had made a clean catch. The officials ruled an incomplete pass and infuriated 49ers coach Mike Nolan, who described it Monday as "the turning point in the game."

It doesn't directly say that it was Alex's fault, but the fact that he ALMOST came down with the ball before being killed should hint that the pass was late.
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« Reply #661 on: September 17, 2008, 08:52:26 AM »
Quote from: TANK on September 16, 2008, 03:48:39 PM

Why do you assume "Alex would win out in most of them."

O'Sullivan attended UC Davis back in the day when they didn't offer athletic scholarships. Admissions for UC Davis is extremely competitive, with average test scores and GPA's well above Utah. I know Alex graduated early with a 3.71 GPA in economics, and I have no idea about O'Sullivan...but correct me if I am wrong...didn't Smith go to a community college his freshman year? He only played two years at Utah...right?

Wow...you make me feel really proud of my alma mater!  Although your comment about community college almost makes it sound like going there makes you less intelligent.  I will just assume that is not the case.  (If you do feel that way, please keep it to yourself.  I went to a CC for two years before transferring to UCDavis.)  I don't think Alex went to a CC his freshman year.  I believe he redshirted at Utah, filled in due to injury his Sophomore year, and started his Junior year as the unquestioned started.  I am not sure of that though.  Also, Alex Smith went to Utah because it was the only program willing to give him a shot at playing QB for their team.  It had nothing to do with academics.  Same for JTO.  He chose UCD over Sac State (a good choice I might add) because they were the two schools interested in giving him a shot. 

Oh, JTO was an english major at UCDavis.  I have no idea what his GPA was, nor do I care.  GPA is more a measure of your work ethic than your intelligence.  He took four years to graduate.  Also, plenty of scholarships were offered to athletes are UCDavis before they went D-1AA.  Just because they don't offer full-ride athletic scholarship, do not think they don't give preferential academic, need, social, ethnic, or cultural scholarships to their athletes.  There is a reason they won the Sears Cup all those years. :-)

I say Alex would win out in most of them because most of them are based on testing and Alex's tests really well.  That and I have a personal dislike of JTO. :-)  However, let me say again for all those who haven't been paying attention.  JTO is the best QB we have on the roster, won the competition hands down, and has a fan in me.
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« Reply #662 on: September 17, 2008, 09:18:29 AM »
That was a dirty hit by Polamalu.  I was about 20 yards away right by the tunnel. VD caught the ball, and he rolled over Polamalu and the ground caused the ball to come out. But both feet hit the ground with the ball in his possession. The 49ers had been driving. Had they scored, it would've been a very tight game. Polamalu was afraid of getting run over and so went really low, like "I have to break this guys legs" low. VD would not have been stopped any other way as there were no other defenders in sight.
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« Reply #663 on: September 17, 2008, 09:22:50 AM »
We're off the JT subject, but I agree with DC9er that the hit by polamalu on Davis....was dirty. You shouldn't hit a player directly in his knee when he does not see you coming! Davis didn't see polamalu going for his knee, so he could not protect himself at all.
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« Reply #664 on: September 17, 2008, 09:30:03 AM »
I really don't care if he's all that nice a guy or approachable to the media so long as his team mates love him and he improves and fights each week to win.

Nothing better than a QB with a big old chip on his shoulder with something to prove to lead a team imo!
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« Reply #665 on: September 17, 2008, 09:41:36 AM »
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I disagree, Harv.  I think JT has shown plenty, enough to give us the hopes that he will indeed be another Kurt Warner.  Martz has again stated that he believes JT is the best QB he has ever coached.

Kurt Warner's first two games: 45/69 (65%), 591 yards, 8.6 yards per attempt, 5 TDs, 2 Ints, 104.2 passer rating, 1 rushing TD

You don't even want to know what he did in his next two games because it will be too high of a standard for JTO.  37/44 (84%), 633 yards, 14.4 yards per attempt, 8 TDs, 1 Int, 148.7 passer rating

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Best of all, he is head and shoulders   above Alex Smith who will soon be an ex-Niner, so we can put all this baloney to rest once and for all.

That's your opinion. I haven't seen enough to put him 'head and shoulders' above Smith and the stats back me up.

I really, really, really want JT to turn into the next Kurt Warner and lead this team to the playoffs.
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« Reply #666 on: September 17, 2008, 10:10:18 AM »
Harv,

That's apples and oranges.  How did Kurt Warner do in his first two games that he started?  That is a fair comparison.
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« Reply #667 on: September 17, 2008, 10:19:11 AM »
Harv., JTO is off to a good start and if we learn to protect him and how to stop teams on 3rd down & not make bone headed mistakes,  he just might lead us to the play offs.
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« Reply #668 on: September 17, 2008, 10:31:13 AM »
Quote from: mountainjack on September 17, 2008, 10:10:18 AM
Harv,

That's apples and oranges.  How did Kurt Warner do in his first two games that he started?  That is a fair comparison.

Those are the first two games Warner started.
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« Reply #669 on: September 17, 2008, 10:33:39 AM »
Quote from: twinspapa on September 17, 2008, 09:30:03 AM
I really don't care if he's all that nice a guy or approachable to the media so long as his team mates love him and he improves and fights each week to win.

Nothing better than a QB with a big old chip on his shoulder with something to prove to lead a team imo!

Amen!
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« Reply #670 on: September 17, 2008, 10:36:06 AM »
We need to protect this guy big time. He has had barely any time to throw. If he gets hurt Hill starts which is bad. I don't think he's a bad qb but he can't slang the ball like JTO.  If he gets pressured like we've allowed I would expect even more sacks. Protect JTO better, less sacks = more wins.
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« Reply #671 on: September 17, 2008, 11:14:00 AM »
I agree with Pyro - I hope the team is figuring out some ways to protect the QB better. He can't average six sacks per game and be expected to make it until the bye week. And yes, some of the sacks have been his fault, but he's also avoided several others and made some great plays (the dump-off to Gore was spectacular).

And I wanted to give Gore some props for his work on the blitz pickup in the Seahawks game. That type of stuff is usually unnoticed, but Gore did a very nice job, often stoning the last guy who had a chance to blow up JT. Many of the catches by the WRs were due in part to Gore sticking his nose in and blocking the free blitzer. Great job by a superstar doing what needs to be done to win the play, whether it's his play or not.

Another win this weekend brings more momentum, and if this offense really starts believing in each other, watch out. They've got the parts, they've just got to get the o-line to hold up its end of the bargain.
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« Reply #672 on: September 17, 2008, 11:29:27 AM »
Kitna on O’Sullivan’s sacks: ‘You get hit. You just deal with it’

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2008/09/17/kitna-on-osullivans-sacks-you-get-hit-you-just-deal-with-it/
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« Reply #673 on: September 17, 2008, 01:36:08 PM »
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Stats mean squat. JT is a much better and more accurate passer with a quicker release. He is also a team leader whom his teammates respect and are now rallying behind. He scrambles very well and makes SOUND DECISIONS. Just a few qualities that are lacking in Alex's game. One more thing. Alex is still a kid and has been handed everything. JT is a man who has gone through many more struggles to achieve what he has now. Maturity is important in a QB.

Exactly !  Stats OFTEN lie !!!  JT looks to be much much better than that other guy who flopped as an NFL QB.
Who knows,maybe JT will regress and get worse and stop showing the skills that make him so much better than that former Niner QB? Hope not !
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« Reply #674 on: September 17, 2008, 01:43:52 PM »
I just can't get enough of this pass to Bruce, by far the best pass a 49er qb has made in several years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A2Z1ci2p4
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« Reply #675 on: September 17, 2008, 01:45:17 PM »
Quote from: STLNiner on September 17, 2008, 11:14:00 AM

And I wanted to give Gore some props for his work on the blitz pickup in the Seahawks game. That type of stuff is usually unnoticed, but Gore did a very nice job, often stoning the last guy who had a chance to blow up JT. Many of the catches by the WRs were due in part to Gore sticking his nose in and blocking the free blitzer. Great job by a superstar doing what needs to be done to win the play, whether it's his play or not.


Glad you mentioned this ! I think it was Matt M. that said Gore's athletic move to fly in front of a pass rusher bearing down on JT (just before a key pass completion to keep a drive alive) was possibly the best  and most important play of the day by any player on either team !
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« Reply #676 on: September 18, 2008, 11:35:14 AM »
Here's to you, Mike Martz and J.T. O'Sullivan. Only on a Mike Martz team could a quarterback be sacked eight times in a game that he won. The Niners are far away from competing for the division title, but they are slowly putting competant pieces in place on both offense and defense.

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« Reply #677 on: September 18, 2008, 11:39:00 AM »
I admit I still have a hard time getting past my preconceived notions of JT being a journeyman, but he is definitely doing the right things both on and off the field.

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Finally, and perhaps most import, O'Sullivan is still learning. Sunday's game was just his second start ever. It also was his first road start, and it happened to come in perhaps the most inhospitable stadium in the NFL. On Wednesday, he heaped a lot of the blame for his eight sacks in Seattle on himself, arguing that he needs to learn when to throw the ball away. "Obviously, you don't need to be a football guru to know that I took some unnecessary sacks," O'Sullivan said. "Things like that I need to clean up, and we need to realize what the problem is and for me, do the things that I need to not take those sacks."

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« Reply #678 on: September 18, 2008, 12:05:46 PM »
Since I have little faith that the coaching staff will take advantage of this, I hope JTO made a mental note on this for the next time we play Seattle. Brandon Mebane was jumping the snap almost every play. I think due to the crowd noise we couldn't vary the snap count but @ home, if they're smart they will use a lot of hard counts and long counts. I'll bet we could catch Mebane 3 or 4 times. Even in the last game he got called once and there were a couple other times I believe he was guilty but uncalled for being offsides. 
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« Reply #679 on: September 18, 2008, 12:45:26 PM »
Even the announcers pointed out how Heitmann was telegraphing the snap.  I payed attention to it after that and he went through the same motion every time.  I imagine it would be hard to vary the snap count by much when you're on the road, in a 2 minute drill.  That won't get it done against better teams though.
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« Reply #680 on: September 18, 2008, 01:11:48 PM »
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I admit I still have a hard time getting past my preconceived notions of JT being a journeyman, but he is definitely doing the right things both on and off the field.

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Finally, and perhaps most import, O'Sullivan is still learning. Sunday's game was just his second start ever. It also was his first road start, and it happened to come in perhaps the most inhospitable stadium in the NFL. On Wednesday, he heaped a lot of the blame for his eight sacks in Seattle on himself, arguing that he needs to learn when to throw the ball away. "Obviously, you don't need to be a football guru to know that I took some unnecessary sacks," O'Sullivan said. "Things like that I need to clean up, and we need to realize what the problem is and for me, do the things that I need to not take those sacks."

That is how you get your teammates to love and respect you. 

Thanks WCG not only the respect of your teammates but he just gained a ton of respect/love from me as well & I am sure most 49ers fans will love reading that quote as much as i did.  That is awesome.  How can't you route for this guy....  Wow.... Very cool.
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« Reply #681 on: September 18, 2008, 01:31:56 PM »
Quote from: Swim4speed on September 17, 2008, 09:22:50 AM
We're off the JT subject, but I agree with DC9er that the hit by polamalu on Davis....was dirty. You shouldn't hit a player directly in his knee when he does not see you coming! Davis didn't see polamalu going for his knee, so he could not protect himself at all.

Sorta like the hit Goldson made on that Paine dude from Seattle?
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« Reply #682 on: September 18, 2008, 02:43:44 PM »
Quote from: hojer49 on September 18, 2008, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: Swim4speed on September 17, 2008, 09:22:50 AM
We're off the JT subject, but I agree with DC9er that the hit by polamalu on Davis....was dirty. You shouldn't hit a player directly in his knee when he does not see you coming! Davis didn't see polamalu going for his knee, so he could not protect himself at all.

Sorta like the hit Goldson made on that Paine dude from Seattle?

But Logan Payne wasn't running full speed 20 yards down field at the time.  He is out for the season with a torn ligament though.



Early in the Seattle game, 49ers safety Dashon Goldson hit Seahawks receiver Logan Payne low as he was making a 14-yard reception. Payne sustained a torn knee ligament and is out for the season.

Said Goldson, "My angle toward him was kind of off. It wasn't the right angle. It was the only way for me to get him down to the ground with how I was coming in. It wasn't like I was trying to take the guy out or anything like that. I'm not a dirty player. It was heat of the moment. That's what I had to do and that's what I did."
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« Reply #683 on: September 18, 2008, 03:49:55 PM »
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Even the announcers pointed out how Heitmann was telegraphing the snap. I payed attention to it after that and he went through the same motion every time. I imagine it would be hard to vary the snap count by much when you're on the road, in a 2 minute drill. That won't get it done against better teams though.

I think unknown to the announcers at game time ,the coaches decided that Heitmann  would do that head bobb move so that the players on the O line and the WR's etc could tell when the ball was going to be snapped. I believe the team had NO further false starts after that strategy was put in place. Unfortunately the D line of the Hawks also knew exactly when the ball was going to be snapped but that is a trade off the staff decided was worth giving up to overcome the noise and the penalties that go along with not HEARING the snap count.
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« Reply #684 on: September 18, 2008, 04:46:36 PM »
Astute observation TIM.
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« Reply #685 on: September 19, 2008, 08:03:33 AM »
Have you heard of them employing this tactic before?
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« Reply #686 on: September 19, 2008, 08:57:11 AM »
Back to the topic, JT O'Sullivan, here are some interesting comments from the Lions:

"He's one of the best throwers of the football I've ever been around," Kitna said. "He's a really good quarterback. He can throw from any angle. It doesn't matter if he's off-balance, whatever, he gets it out quick."

The Lions' coaches and players praise O'Sullivan's intelligence, release and mobility. But why did the Lions let him go then?

"He hasn't played in this league long, so he'll make his mistakes," wide receiver Roy Williams said. "Hopefully we can confuse him, and I teach these guys some things about what they're going to see, and we can take some picks to the house."

O'Sullivan said he doesn't need any extra motivation to face the Lions. He has been scratching and clawing to make it in the NFL for years and now, finally, this is his chance. This is his third NFL start. That should be motivation enough.

"I think guys like that always have something to prove," Lions coach Rod Marinelli said. "And he's doing a great job of proving it."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/niners/2008-09-18-osullivan_N.htm
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« Reply #687 on: September 19, 2008, 09:48:26 AM »
Capitol:
maybe spending 5 years hanging onto the bottom rung of an NFL roster woke JT up about what it takes to be a QB and a leader.  Spending time in NFLE (for the most part, players hate it, but see it as their best way back/in to the NFL) and constantly getting cut in the NFL can shake somebody up.

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The report on Heitmann "giving away" the snap count came out a day or 2 after the game.

it's happened before. teams go to "silent" counts like that. Sometimes, the snap happens when the center's head comes back up, or a "beat" after the head comes up. Sometimes, the OGs (who can stare right at the ball) will "hold hands" with the OTs and will let go when the ball is snapped.
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« Reply #688 on: September 19, 2008, 10:06:21 AM »
Tidbits from the trenches Wink  JUICY!
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« Reply #689 on: September 19, 2008, 10:32:08 AM »
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Have you heard of them employing this tactic before?

No. But all teams have a plan for noisy away games. Hand signals etc. This head bobbing thing is just something similar to that.
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