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« on: July 01, 2008, 07:03:41 PM »
FROM MATT MAIOCCO
The NFL Network will show the game that featured Garrison Hearst's epic 96-yard touchdown run in overtime that defeated the Jets in the 1998 season opener. The 49ers' 36-30 victory will air on NFL Classic Games on Monday at 5 p.m. (PT). There will be encore showings at Tuesday, 8:30 a.m., and Saturday, July 12, at 6 a.m. and 5 p.m.

The 96-yard run broke the 49ers record for longest run in franchise history. Hugh McElhenny scored on an 89-yard touchdown in 1952 against the Dallas Texans.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2218754

So all this gives motivation for some pointless offseason debate  Grin Cheesy Grin
Was Garrison Hearst more talented than Frank Gore?

...... Which player is/was more valueable to their respective team?

............. Is either player considered "better" than 49ers legend Roger Craig? 

.................... And what about the classic 49ers running backs of the 1950's and 60's compared to Craig, Watters, Hearst, or Gore?
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 08:23:09 PM »
I remember that run!!

Dave Fiore (RT) blocked for Hearst for a good 80 yards!!!
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 10:56:28 PM »
I remember that run too! I loved that game, they showed alot of heart to pull it off.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 12:59:56 AM »
that was a heck of a run, and still gets the old adrenaline pumping now, after so many years (was that really 10 years ago?!).  Hearst was a great back, but I'm not sure he should go ahead of McElhenny, Perry or Craig in the all time list for Niners backs.  I guess it depends on how you want to judge them?  Purely on stats? or on the amount of joy they bring with their runs (I'm thinking of the Kings mazy runs where he'd run 30 yards in zig-zags, back arounds and general elusiveness, to gain about 8 yards on the run!), or as you say, on how much they bring to their respective team.  The Jet was obviously exactly that, and Roger was the perfect back for our championship years of course - hard up the middle, had pace and a great set of receiving hands.  Hearst and especially Gore may in some ways, be more valuable tot heir team than Craig was to us inthe 80s, because they were/are in teams that have had, shall I say, 'issues' with their receiving core whilst the RB have been playing, so putting more responsibility on the shoulders of the backs. 
dare I ask, but what names would populate everyones top 5 backs (taking into account stats, excitement and contribution to the team of their era), and in which order?! 
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 04:59:42 AM »
My favorite was always Wendel Tyler,so what do I know ?
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2008, 05:53:43 AM »
I grew up on Craig and his high knees through the line.  He benefitted from a coach who wasn't locked into a back being just a running back.  Craig set the standard for running backs as receiving threats.  IIRC he lead the team in receptions Rice's rookie year.  Hearst was fun to watch because he ran on his toes and seem to spring like gazelle!  I think what impresses me most about Hearst and the 49ers organization as it was back in the day was how Hearst suffered from avascular necrosis in his fibula.  That is a condition that isn't easy to over come...but he did and the 49ers stuck with him while he recovered and had such faith in him, that they let go of a pretty decent back in Gardner to let Hearst come back and do it again...and he did! 

Could you imagine this regime saying to a player, "Hey, I realize you may never run again.  But, why don't you stick around, rehab, work hard and your job will be waiting for you if and when you get better."  And then...actually following up on it?!?   CRAZY! 

But greatest running back of 49er history...Tom Rathman!  Give me a fullback who could do it all better than Rathman?
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2008, 06:56:49 AM »
I remember that run very very well and Jules is right Dave Fiore was out in front when he broke loose, I think my neighbor across the street could hear me cheering G $ on....

As far as the best.  I am old school so it is still R. Craig for me.  G $ is not far behind in 2nd place.  I love Gore but have to put him in 3rd right now.  If he keeps it up and stays healthy he will no doubt challenge the first 2 and might even take over the 2 spot.   

Cap. I am with you T. Rath. was a fantastic player! Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 07:57:41 AM »
I can't speak to the (very) old days, but Roger Craig is #1 for me. He was just so perfect for the system, and the Niners wouldn't have had nearly the offensive success they did without him as a dual threat. He was just relentless, bursting through the line with knees high and great power, or sneaking out of the backfield and making himself a tremendous receiving threat. He was Marshall Faulk before Marshall ever arrived, and I think it's a travesty that he's not in the HOF.

But I loved Garrison. What a heart that guy had. He was perfect for that offense - he didn't need the spotlight (Young, Rice, Owens, Garcia), he just played the game the right way and let others do the talking. But he could sure burst through a hole. I was standing and screaming at the TV more times than I can count when he would break through the line.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 08:52:48 AM »
Roger Craig is clearly the greatest 49er running back, both statistically speaking and as a person.  He was the first real double threat as a runner and receiver, thanks to Bill Walsh.  He was Thurman Thomas and Marshall Faulk before there was Thurman Thomas and Marshall Faulk.  Despite his 8 straight seasons with 1,000 yards rushing, Thurman Thomas never had 1,000 yards receiving.  Craig did once, in 1985.  That was the year a young man named Jerry Rice was drafted.  You know, the NFL career leader in receptions, yards, and touchdowns?  Yeah, that guy.

Garrison Hearst was a quality man and player, and played his heart out for this team.  He had one more season of 1,000 yards rushing, but the most receiving yards he ever had was 500.  Two seasons of 300 yards, and then just over 100 the rest of the time.  He finished his career with 42% of Craig's production as a receiver, and finished with 1,000 yards less rushing than Craig for his career.

Ricky Watters was an unbelievable talent who could have been the next Roger Craig, but left via free agency, probably due to his focus as a double threat, rather than a runner.  In three seasons for the 49ers, he had one season over 1,000 yards rushing, and in the Super Bowl season he had 800+ rushing, 700+ receiving.  As soon as he left, he had six straight 1,000 yard seasons, and averaged 350+ receiving.  In his last full season, he had 1,200 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving.

Frank Gore is well on his way after three seasons, and one hopes it can continue.  He has an average of 4.9 per carry, with 3,405 over three seasons.  Knowing Marshall Faulk had eight straight seasons of 1,000+ yards, we can trust that Mike Martz will get Frank Gore his production on the ground, but will also be able to keep him healthy, which is critical for the career of a running back.  Even with last season's miserable offensive performance, he still eclipsed 1,000 yards rushing and 400 yards receiving!  Respectable numbers for a running back no matter who you are!

If Mike Martz stays with the 49ers, whether as an OC or a HC, we can be optimistic that Frank Gore could very well be the best we've ever had.  One would hope Martz will finish out his career here in any capacity, but if he leaves after two seasons, one could also believe that Ted Tollner is a worthy successor, if not Adam Gase, the assistant Martz brought with him, should he stay in San Francisco.  But that's a coaching discussion best left for other prognosticators.
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2008, 04:44:22 PM »
The man of the hour Cool I love his determination and what he stands for...  I have often wondered how good he was before doing 2 knees?  Despite the surgeries he is still special.  I heard Clinton P. talk about him on ESPN a few days ago and he said BEFORE the injuries he was faster (he does not look slow) to me.

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 01:21:26 AM »
49ers Garrison Hearst 96 yard TD Run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkEJu1yQJlE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OZxpIVWDdM

Also, about 2:47 into this vid. clip you will see R. Craig running through the entire Rams defense back in the day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE9SNAWX27g

I hope that the NFL HOF wakes up and gives him a bust!
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2008, 02:47:34 PM »
Saw the replay yesterday. I had seats in the nosebleed section then, in the north endzone. The line of sight from there was right down the sideline where Hearst made this run, his back to us. As he went towards the goal line, the "depth of view" kind of flattens out & it was hard to see the end of the play. In fact, the 1st clue that it was a TD was the reaction of the fans at the other half of the stadium, and the Niner's bench - the whole team pouring out of the sidelines & racing to the other endzone .

Man, that was exciting though. Even now, almost 10 years later, I was almost hopping up and down watching that replay. A top 10 moment in 49er history, imo.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 07:41:48 AM »
For anyone that missed it....... the game will air again this Saturday (7/12/08) at 8:00 pm ET.

And for the sake of stimulated arguement and debate...........
MY "All-Time Greatest" 49ERS RUNNING BACKS:
1 - Roger Craig
2 - Hugh "The King" McElhenny
3 - Garrison Hearst
4 - Joe "The Jet" Perry
5 - Frank Gore
6 - Ken Willard
7 - Tom Rathman
8 - Ricky Watters
9 - Wendell Tyler
10 - Harry Sydney
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2008, 12:00:25 PM »
Rathman was hard-nosed as few!

Too bad he is stuck in Detroit now  Undecided
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Quote from: gridiron49 on July 10, 2008, 12:00:25 PM
Rathman was hard-nosed as few!

Too bad he is stuck in Detroit now  Undecided

Grid., as you well know I really hope that someday he ends up back here as a coach. 
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Quote from: D-roc on July 10, 2008, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: gridiron49 on July 10, 2008, 12:00:25 PM
Rathman was hard-nosed as few!

Too bad he is stuck in Detroit now Undecided


Wasn't he a coach for us a few years back? Why did he leave?
Grid., as you well know I really hope that someday he ends up back here as a coach.
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2008, 02:55:13 PM »
Quote from: young tone on July 10, 2008, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: D-roc on July 10, 2008, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: gridiron49 on July 10, 2008, 12:00:25 PM
Rathman was hard-nosed as few!

Too bad he is stuck in Detroit now Undecided


Wasn't he a coach for us a few years back? Why did he leave?
Grid., as you well know I really hope that someday he ends up back here as a coach.

He was our rb coach from 97 - 02 then headed to Det. with Mooch.  I would love to see him return eventually.   Great to see you my man! Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2008, 09:10:52 AM »
I can only judge on Niners from 1981 to the present. Roger was probably the best overall running back. He also had the longest 49ers career and best statistics. Hearst was the best runner and blitz pick up guy. Gore still has to be productive for at least 2-3 more years before he will have a long enough career.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2008, 09:15:56 AM »
Excactly 4speed, as much as I love Gore he needs to keep it up for a few more years.  If he stays healthy he will go down as one of our best.
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Quote from: gridiron49 on August 02, 2008, 07:01:27 AM
Top Ten Not in HOF: Ricky Watters
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80999490

No ROGER CRAIG Huh?

Not sure if I got the rankings correct, but the names are: 1 Jerry Kramer, 2 Derrick Thomas, 3 Cris Carter, 4 Jim Marshall, 5 Bob Hayes, 6 Alex Karras, 7 Ken Stabler, 8 Ken Anderson, 9 Steve Tasker, 10 Ricky Watters
Craig is once again overlooked?
 
Perhaps perception (and time) has skewed the "experts" memory of his brilliant influence on the game.  Yes, he played on great teams w/ great players, but if anybody knows anything about this sport, they would recognize that Craig was not just "another player" on a great team, he was both a team MVP and league MVP for many of those 49ers championship years.  So if an "expert" acknowledges the 49ers team dominance... Roger Craig must be considered.   Without doing any research (just my own memory) here are some facts I know.... he was first to ever score 3 TD's in a Super Bowl..... he was first to ever have 1000/1000 rushing & receiving yards in a season (only M. Faulk has equalled).... three super bowl rings.... Named to Pro Bowl as both fullback and tailback..... Never played on team w/ a below .500 record.... And most significant? Craig revolutionized the NFL... by pass-catching out of the backfield (ie. the "West Coast Offense" influence) which has undeniably changed the game (Pee-wee, High School, College, Professional), Craig started a football evolution that is now a standard practice.  He was the first, he was the best.... and most copy-cats today pale in comparison.
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2008, 08:44:03 AM »
Great post N-64 you nailed it my man!  It is only a matter of time before he gets selected into the HALL.  Our very own B. Walsh said himself that he belongs there.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2008, 03:33:29 PM »
I loved Rodger Craig but I never thought he was a Hall of Fame player. He did have that one year when he went over 1000 yards at both running and receiving . That one statistical year would be his only chance imho because I believe he was the 1st to ever do that and sometimes you can make it into the hall if you are the 1st at something.
But it is a big time joke to have Rickey Watters on that list !!! 
I hope Rodger makes it in one day because he is such a nice guy and had the heart of a warrior.
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2008, 03:55:54 PM »
Quote from: nate_64_9ers on August 02, 2008, 08:23:30 AM
Quote from: gridiron49 on August 02, 2008, 07:01:27 AM
Top Ten Not in HOF: Ricky Watters
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80999490

No ROGER CRAIG Huh?

Not sure if I got the rankings correct, but the names are: 1 Jerry Kramer, 2 Derrick Thomas, 3 Cris Carter, 4 Jim Marshall, 5 Bob Hayes, 6 Alex Karras, 7 Ken Stabler, 8 Ken Anderson, 9 Steve Tasker, 10 Ricky Watters
Craig is once again overlooked?
 
Perhaps perception (and time) has skewed the "experts" memory of his brilliant influence on the game.  Yes, he played on great teams w/ great players, but if anybody knows anything about this sport, they would recognize that Craig was not just "another player" on a great team, he was both a team MVP and league MVP for many of those 49ers championship years.  So if an "expert" acknowledges the 49ers team dominance... Roger Craig must be considered.   Without doing any research (just my own memory) here are some facts I know.... he was first to ever score 3 TD's in a Super Bowl..... he was first to ever have 1000/1000 rushing & receiving yards in a season (only M. Faulk has equalled).... three super bowl rings.... Named to Pro Bowl as both fullback and tailback..... Never played on team w/ a below .500 record.... And most significant? Craig revolutionized the NFL... by pass-catching out of the backfield (ie. the "West Coast Offense" influence) which has undeniably changed the game (Pee-wee, High School, College, Professional), Craig started a football evolution that is now a standard practice.  He was the first, he was the best.... and most copy-cats today pale in comparison.

Awesome. That was just an excellent answer as to why he should be in the HOF.

BTW anyone know off hand where he sits all time with receiving yards for a RB? I'm assuming top 5 but do not have concrete evidence as such
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2008, 04:35:11 PM »
Quote from: Bob on August 02, 2008, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: nate_64_9ers on August 02, 2008, 08:23:30 AM
Quote from: gridiron49 on August 02, 2008, 07:01:27 AM
Top Ten Not in HOF: Ricky Watters
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80999490

No ROGER CRAIG Huh?

Not sure if I got the rankings correct, but the names are: 1 Jerry Kramer, 2 Derrick Thomas, 3 Cris Carter, 4 Jim Marshall, 5 Bob Hayes, 6 Alex Karras, 7 Ken Stabler, 8 Ken Anderson, 9 Steve Tasker, 10 Ricky Watters
Craig is once again overlooked?
 
Perhaps perception (and time) has skewed the "experts" memory of his brilliant influence on the game. Yes, he played on great teams w/ great players, but if anybody knows anything about this sport, they would recognize that Craig was not just "another player" on a great team, he was both a team MVP and league MVP for many of those 49ers championship years. So if an "expert" acknowledges the 49ers team dominance... Roger Craig must be considered. Without doing any research (just my own memory) here are some facts I know.... he was first to ever score 3 TD's in a Super Bowl..... he was first to ever have 1000/1000 rushing & receiving yards in a season (only M. Faulk has equalled).... three super bowl rings.... Named to Pro Bowl as both fullback and tailback..... Never played on team w/ a below .500 record.... And most significant? Craig revolutionized the NFL... by pass-catching out of the backfield (ie. the "West Coast Offense" influence) which has undeniably changed the game (Pee-wee, High School, College, Professional), Craig started a football evolution that is now a standard practice. He was the first, he was the best.... and most copy-cats today pale in comparison.

Awesome. That was just an excellent answer as to why he should be in the HOF.

BTW anyone know off hand where he sits all time with receiving yards for a RB? I'm assuming top 5 but do not have concrete evidence as such

Not sure where he stands all time but here are his career stats:

http://www.nfl.com/players/rogercraig/profile?id=CRA303870
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2008, 07:01:46 PM »
Quote from: Bob on August 02, 2008, 03:55:54 PM
Awesome. That was just an excellent answer as to why he should be in the HOF.

Thanks Bob.

Quote from: Bob on August 02, 2008, 03:55:54 PM
BTW anyone know off hand where he sits all time with receiving yards for a RB? I'm assuming top 5 but do not have concrete evidence as such

64th all-time in career receptions with 566 (4th RB on the list... I think)
224th all-time in career receiving yards with 4,911 ( 6th RB on list... I think)
33rd all-time in career rushing yards with 8,189
32nd all-time in yards from scrimmage with 13,100

SOURCE(S):
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CraiRo00.htm

Two more notables I thought of after my original post..... (I admit I checked just now for accuracy)   Craig was the first and only RB to lead the NFL in receptions for a season when he had 92 catches in 1985.   He was first and only RB to have over 100 receiving yards in a Super Bowl.
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2008, 06:22:48 AM »
In my opinion, Roger Craig was a better running back than Hearst because he was a more versatile back and a devastating blocker.  Most of you never saw him play, but Joe Perry was every bit as good a running back as Roger Craig or Garrison Hearst. . .

Jo Perry:  http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=175

and so was John Henry Johnson:  http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=106

May as well not forget Hugh McElhenny:  http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=148


All 3 HOFers and they ALL PLAYED IN THE SAME BACKFIELD along with HOF QB YA Tittle -- the only All Hall of Fame backfield in history.

As for Rathman being the best running back -- not a chance.  He was a great fullback, but nowhere near the runner that the guys listed above were.
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2008, 07:05:10 AM »
Heh.  He never read this post and its comments:  http://49ersfanboy.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/rating-the-running-backs/

Bwa ha ha ha ha....
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