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« on: December 10, 2007, 12:13:25 AM »



TIME TO CONSIDER THE "UNTHINKABLE"

I’m going to come straight to the point this week and say that I hope the York’s are seriously considering making changes at the helm, no matter their reservations in doing so or Nolan's wagon of excuses he’s sure to present to them. Their credibility as owners is on the line here as well as the future of their franchise.

I hate to see wholesale changes made to this program because it disrupts continuity, but let's face it, there is NO continuity, the team is a huge mess, players that should have been playing all along haven't unless they were forced into action because of injury, players that shouldn't have been or shouldn't be playing still are, their lack of production and lackadaisical approach to their mishaps and dropped balls infuriates me as I'm sure it does a legion of others.

They may as well consider cutting their losses now, while the cutting is good and bring in a new regime that has experience particularly on offense. I don't think our DC is bad; I just call into question their continuing to start DSMITH over other younger players who have more upside and are faster to the ball. I don't get that.

We all know the many issues, we've each kicked and whipped that dead horse to dog food and as each week becomes more excruciating to watch than the previous, someone in the head office needs to take a stand for the team and its fans.

The York’s have done everything to this point that they possibly could to provide a winning product, the men they chose to coach this team to victory have failed and now the York’s can do what a responsible team owner needs to do and prepare to make some serious changes.

Nolan won't want to be relegated to simply being the HC. He has demonstrated that he is the omnipotent power of the team in his own mind and that won't likely change by bringing someone to be the GM, in fact I believe that will further increase tensions on the team.

I know many will disagree because they’re convinced that by firing Nolan that would set Alex Smith and the team back even further to which I wholeheartedly and respectfully disagree. I think nothing could be further from the truth because in all honesty, I don’t believe Nolan has any credibility with Smith any longer and he certainly doesn’t have credibility with me.

How he’s handled Alex both on the field and off is reprehensible and speaks volumes of his true nature as a coach. In business and athletics, you gain the very best of your people when you care about them and love them. Coach Walsh was the epitome of that philosophy and that along with his attention to detail and his belief in his players were among they key aspects as to why his teams were so successful.

Nolan on the other hand is the antithesis of that philosophy. He has done little to nothing to rectify their downward spiral until he absolutely felt forced into doing so at which time he brought Tollner in. The saying too little too late comes into mind with respect to that.

He also seems to be completely out of touch with reality when it comes to anything regarding the offense. Even if you are the staunchest Nolan supporter, you cannot deny that fact. He’s clueless and he even says so when he tells the press he would fix the problem if he could identify them.

Say what?!

I’ve been saying on the forum for the past few weeks that I would wait until the end of the season to come to a final conclusion, but while I still believe that, I also believe that in order to salvage this team, drastic changes need to take place, and I don’t personally feel that Nolan as HC is the person to lead this team in the future. And while it will be painful to let him go in some respects, it should breathe life back into the franchise and the players who have been suffocated by his dictatorial leadership.

The coach needs to understand the team’s strengths and weaknesses and not be afraid to acknowledge them amongst themselves and the media when necessary. I’m calling for more transparency with the head coach. Nolan seems to be either ignorant of certain aspects of his team or secretive, either way, there’s a time and place for secrecy, but when the team is struggling isn’t one of them, at least in my own opinion. I’d rather hear that the coach understands what’s ailing the team and hear his plan to fix the problems rather than all this dodging questions each week.

We need an experienced offensive minded coach who is also well versed in defense. He should be a man who will genuinely care for his players and be open to communication and feedback. He should also be a stickler for detail so far as practice and plays go. No more run the play once in practice mindset. That needs to be changed immediately. The team needs to practice plays repeatedly until they can do it blindfolded.

No more playing unproductive players. Nothing seems to get the attention of players more than to be sitting on the sideline when they drop the ball once too many times or fail to make a key block.

Now I’m not saying we should yank someone out when they make those errors on occasion, I’m saying that when the player seems to be falling into a pattern of mistakes, someone needs to be given the chance to take that job if they prove to be more effective and consistent.

The quarterback and receivers need to spend A LOT more time with each other so they develop timing, a sound understanding of one another’s abilities, and communication skills.

We all care about this team and to a certain extent, I believe even Nolan does, I just think he cares more about his reputation and appearances than he does the team and players as individuals. I'd rather have a coach who could care less about his appearance and rep than he does winning. That should mean everything to the head coach and he'll need players AND fans to believe in him in order for him and the team to succeed.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 05:22:35 AM »
... for me the question has more to do with where do you stop the changes?  The whole O coaching staff? Keep the WR coach? sullivan, known around the league as being great at what he does.. but what has he done in SF?  maybe he hasn't the products to work with, or maybe there's a reason he's never considered for a HC position.  Same applies for TE, RB, etc etc... though perhaps at RB you can make a case for the coach... what about the players?  Complete overhaul on WR even though I'm a fan of Battle as a person.  Maybe ... maybe keep Lelie and Hill?  Big changes on the OL beginning with Larry Allen I think...   In any case, big ... big .. big changes needed.

The thing about Nolan that I think we all grabbed onto with his hire, is on the superficial level, the stand behind the podium level he looks exactly like what I want from a head coach. 

What would you do to bring Shanahan to this team?
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 05:46:08 AM »
I'd rather bring Garrett in. I've never once ever considered Shanny as HC.

And you stop the changes when all the correct people are in place. Singletary is likely gone next season, Sullivan is a big question mark imo, I have nothing in recent history to indicate he's worth retaining do you?

I don't know if we keep Lelie or Hill, how could we know they didn't have a chance to showcase their potential during the season, why is that?

My changes would include adding a GM with significant experience and ties in the NFL. Nolan would be allowed to remain if he accepted the change in hierarchy and see point #3, Hoss - gone, replaced with an experienced and (#3) capable OC who should be given greater autonomy to run the offense and then there's a bevy of changes in practice that need to be made, but I won't get into that here as I've already stated this above.

Some of you will disagree and want to keep Nolan. As each week passes it becomes clearer to me that in my mind he may not be the man for the 49ers.

I don't care what out HC looks like behind the podium Bryan, all that matters to me is effectiveness on the field and improvement on the team.

If the HC can look good AND do those things all the better, but we've become the laughingstock of the league, but man does our HC look good!
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 06:23:54 AM »
I think it has to be Nolan. I've been a long time coming to that conclusion. In a science experiment, if you get results that are different than what you expected, you look at the variables first. I saw that as primarily the OC, followed by key injuries, fall-off from aging players and a couple of disappointing FAs. I saw Nolan as victimized by said list of failures.

However, his handling of Alex Smith just went counter to everything I wanted to believe about Nolan. As the team falls lower and lower each week, their condition has become irreparable. Nolan couldn't fix things this season and isn't likely to next, even with sweeping changes in offensive coaches. More than physical mistakes or mismatches, I think the team is a psychological train wreak.

I think he did well for two years, but couldn't or didn't handle the OC change this year. He has got himself and the team in such a downward spiral, that he cannot be the one to bring them out.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 06:49:08 AM »
Twins, I don't find a single thing in your article I can agree with.

Except for EVERYTHING!

I think the influence of Tom Condon cannot be underestimated in this process.  I think he's going to put a lot of pressure on the Yorks to be rid of Nolan this year, because of the way he handled his client's situation and their relationship.  He has really performed a disservice to Alex's reputation and his career.

I like Policy as GM and Holmgren as HC.  I think it's a definite possibility.  Still a longshot, but no longer just a pipe dream.  Of course I also like Holmgren as GM and Singletary as HC.  I think Singletary deserves a shot.  It maintains some of the continuity people want, especially with the younger players, but also Singletary is not an idiot, and he's also much less PC than Nolan.  And it gives the franchise a name to pin our hopes to.  A REAL name.  A HALL OF FAME name.  This gives Singletary an advantage when it comes to hiring an offensive staff, because I'm sure a guy like Zampese or Chow or whoever would prefer to work for a name like Singletary over Nolan.

I used to love Mike Nolan until he started putting the knife in other people's backs.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2007, 07:24:39 AM »
Repeat after me: No more rookie HCs! No more rookie HCs!

Let another team pay for the learning curve. If they want Singletary as an interim for the rest of the season fine. Otherwise, what has he done as a coach?
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2007, 07:47:20 AM »
Twins, I think your points are right on. If I was the Yorks, I too would ONLY consider keeping Nolan if he gave up all responsibilities beyond HC. Even then, I don't think it's the best thing. A thorough housecleaning - definitely including Sullivan, who is living on reputation in my opinion - must be done with the offensive staff. No one, with the possible exception of Bishop, should survive the bloodletting. And to me, the quickest way to make improvements is to eliminate Nolan completely. I just think he's alienated too many, including the (former?) QBOTF, Alex Smith.

Indiana, I concur with your thoughts on Alex's agents. And it's not just about Alex then, it becomes, "Look, I represent a lot of players, and I have a lot of juice with other agents around the NFL. If you want to have a shot with anyone, you need to move Nolan out and get someone who can help my guy (Alex) become a legit starting QB." I think you make a great point, and that's why I'm not convinced any statements by the Yorks now that "Nolan will be our HC in 2008" mean much.

I would be on board with the idea of Jason Garrett as the next HC. I can also see some very good reasons to pursue someone like Marty Schottenheimer, who would be more of the CEO - and someone who could definitely hire a great staff. I don't think there is a perfect formula. The Yorks could go a variety of different ways and come out better than what we have today. A Bob Stoops from the college ranks - someone with significant experience leading the entire operation - would be a major step up. A Holmgren (GM) - Shanahan (HC) combination? That sounds great to me.  What do all these people have in common? They would each be able to step in, look at the roster's negatives and positives, make an accurate accounting of what is really wrong, communicate that clearly to everyone, and figure out how to fix the major areas of weakness. To me, that's Nolan's biggest failing. He doesn't seem to see the same things that everyone else sees clearly - and if he does, he's powerless to do anything about it.

It's time to make a move. As soon as the final whistle sounds on the 2007 season, York should be on the sideline giving Nolan a pink slip. And if York wants to win the fans' trust, he needs to get the next selection right. So far his record on hiring head coaches is a dismal 0-2. Hopefully he's learned enough over the last few years to hire a powerful GM first and let that GM find the right coach. That's what a GM is supposed to do. Hopefully, for our sakes, York realizes that now.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2007, 08:09:05 AM »
I believe Garrett will be the choice. I think the Head Coach should be an offensive mind, and nobody can deny Garrett fits the description. You bring in a GM, let him make the decisions, let him decide on what direction the coaching staff goes. If I was the GM, I would first fire Nolan, than I would put together a list of replacements. Let the candidates tell me what they will do to right the ship if given the chance to do so. Remember, most of the time a Head Coach will put together his own staff, but if you bring in Garrett, he will be the OC and play caller. We will not have to worry about Alex Smith going backwards in his development anymore. It will be either put up, or shut up for Alex and the rest of the players on offense.

This is also an important time for this franchise in another area, FREE AGENCY. If they do not make changes, no free agent will want to spend the next 5 years playing for a team projected to lose year in and year out. I am a die hard 49er fan, but I do not believe in Nolan anymore, or any of the offensive coaches. Changes have to take place, perios, hands down. This is the worst I have ever felt as a 49er fan in my whole life. I do not believe in anything they are doing on the football field.

One thing I would keep in place is Scott M. He has done a wonderful job scouting talent and setting us up for successful draft classes, with the exception of Alex Smith, but Alex has not had the protection of coaching to develop.

I am with TWINS PAPA on this one, bring in Garrett, a new GM, and let the 49ers at least be exciting again.

To make matters worse our top 3 pick will belong to New England, how sick is that.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2007, 11:12:11 AM »
Twins,

Heartfelt, direct and no mincing of words, excellent piece.

Obviously I have felt this way for sometime, and personally I see no upside in bringing Nolan back in any regard.  Out of the two jobs he handles, he is better at the player acquisition part than he is as HC, so there is no reason to hire a GM and let him keep coaching imo.  He is weak as a strategist and game manager.  If you can't improve in that area in 3 years, it's not going to happen.  He is always glib after the game, and appears to have no idea to fix what's wrong.  Is that someone we want leading the team next season?  I don't think so. 

We can't go any lower than we are right now other than Dolphin territory, so the continuity argument is redundant.  Giving Nolan another year just extends the mediocrity and puts off his inevitable firing.

I can't fault the Yorks for this.  They paid the money to the FA's and have stayed out of the way which is what most of us wanted to see, so they've kept their end of the bargain.   However they have to take a stand and eat another contract before it's over.  Just like with TDon and Deer, they have to realize paying out a contract is better than paying for the product we see every week right now.

The only mistake York and his team of novices made the last time around was hiring the Coach first.  They were not equipped to make that decision and it has backfired.  What they need to do, is hire an experienced Football man, either as a consultant to Scott or as the GM, and let him fix the football side, including the hiring of the next HC.  This team needs an experienced strong hand to pull this team out of the gutter.  Ron Wolfe is my guy for the job, and I would be fine with Garrett as HC because while he's a rookie, he was a player in the league, is an Ivy league graduate and has been studying for this practically his entire career. I would also be fine with an experienced HC like Schottenhiemer as well, as long as he doesn't hire his whole family like he's done at times in the past.

The only thing I'm certain of, is that the Nolan era needs to become a distant memory.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2007, 01:50:03 PM »
Believe me guys, it was painful to write that piece. I finally crossed over and decided I loved my team much more than I do the idea of Nolan being HC.

I also want to add that while I won't mention names, there are two great franchises that may actually face one another in the SB this year that have done the following in recent years:

One team "retired" their HC who also happens to be a HOF HC imo,
both made sweeping changes to their staffs, OC, DC, some were fired or allowed to go elsewhere,
both allowed players to walk, some whom were considered really great players in recent times
both made staffing and player changes

You have all figured out what teams I'm referring to, and it seems the owners or GM's of both teams seem to be making changes and tweaking all the time until they get it right and they don't seem to rest on their laurels which is why they're both great teams with many world championships between them and more to come!

They have great owners in the sense that they're not afraid of change in order to succeed. Successful people will repeatedly fail at times in order to succeed, not on purpose mind you, but they continue making changes until they get it right.

If the York's truly care about their team and want to join the ranks of the elite, they have THE perfect opportunity this off season, so long as they get it right.

You feeling us Jed?
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007, 02:22:59 PM »
Pa Pa as you well know I am and always have been a Nolan supporter but your right some tough decisions need to be made.  While I still feel that he will be brought back I obviously would not be surprised if he is not. I am just to the point where I really don't give a damn if he is or not.  Sad cause I like him & maybe I am nutz but I think he has potential but we know how dangerous that word has been in here!

If we do decide to move on without him, I really hope that we keep Scotty (how deep do his loyalties) to Nolan run....?  I also hope that WHEN we hire our GM he will be given complete autonomy to either hire a coach (assuming Nolan is gone), or if Nolan is retained that the GM will hire the OC and the rest of the 99 % offensive staff that is going to be getting pink slips.  Very well written post my man! Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2007, 03:22:09 PM »
I agree pretty much with EVREYTHING you said TIM. The only thing i dont agree with is hiring Garrett for HC. Not because I dont think he is capable. As i said before, I seriously doubt JJ will let him walk.

1) He is being groomed to be the next coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
2) He's a Cowboy to the core, i seriously doubt any amount of money would have him come to a heated rival.
3) Even if he did want to leave JJ would either fired W. Phillips or pay him HC $$ to get him to stay until he feels he is ready for him to be a HC
4) I seriously doubt York will go with another unproven head coach. He'll probably want a vet. offensive minded coach.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 03:35:58 PM »
You might be right CC JJ would really try to prevent that from happening though I do not think he would fire Phillips.  Like Twins I would be happy with Garret, however, I feel it is a long-shot.  Like you said, York will prob. go with experience for good reason.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2007, 08:26:46 PM »
I think Garrett may be a great HC at some point, but you also have to look at what he's working with. He's got a future HOF reciever, two great running backs, a massive O-line, and a great QB. Clearly he has done a good job with them, but I'd be willing to bet Hoss could do a lot more with that bunch too. I don't think you can dump Nolan yet, as bad as this year was. There were too many unforeseen things. Most notably, nobody saw Larry Allen and JJ self-destructing. If the O-line was as good as last year, that solves a lot of problems. Even in preseason people were saying Allen and Jennings looked good, but for some reason their play dropped off a cliff. I don't know if this is Warhop's fault or not, but is wasn't something anyone (including Nolan) really saw coming. When your team is built around something like that, it is tough to recover when it becomes a major weakness. The defense has been a major upgrade, and while Aubrayo and TBC haven't done anything, Michael Lewis and Nate Clements have both proven their worth. The recieving corps and D-line should have been addressed better, but D-Jack did seem to be a viable solution at the time. I agree that things need to change, but I think they should be minor (a veteran OC for example) rather than major, at least for one more year. The one positive that could come out of this whole thing is that Alex Smith finally gets pissed off and motivated enough to be a good QB. I'm sold on the core of our team, there just need to be some upgrades. Given the amount of unforeseen things that happened to the team this year, I think Nolan should have one more year to prove himself. One more draft (with a high pick in every round after the 1st) could solidify the team and help right the ship.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2007, 09:16:33 PM »
I totally disagree 2015 about your statement that we should keep Nolan another year, but I presume you already knew that by reading the column. Any coach "may" be great at some point including Garrett and the 30+ others out there, but who really is or will be? I can't think of one who shows as much promise to be the complete HC than that young man. Do I think he'll wind up here? I'd like to certainly hope so, but Jones is no idiot and it's likely he'll slam the door of that possibility shut. He knows what he has there.

As for Hoss doing anything good with their lineup over in Dallas, I feel I could go over there and call the plays and do fine, does that make Hoss a legitimate OC by making that comparison, hardly. He's taken everything we had that was good and turned it into fodder. Chances are in Dallas, the players would get it done in spite of Hoss rather than because of him, but the fact is they don't have Hoss, they have what I personally feel is a brilliant OC, the next revered HC in the league.

The only coaches that approach greatness in the league are Dungy and Belichick. Both future HOF's no doubt and incredible coaches. If given the opportunity Garrett has the potential to reach that level imo.

Clearly there are shortcomings as far as the players are concerned on the 49ers no denying that, but Nolan mismanaged personnel, strategy and any semblance of potential the team had. They did run into unforeseen problems but what team doesn't? I don't see those teams totally self destructing like the 49ers have.

The 49ers should in reality be at the very back of the league pack this season. Lower than the other team across the bay, and lower than the fins, we are THE worst in the league imo. We can generate nothing offensively and we are beginning to go backward defensively.

Nolan has lost this team, the fans, the respect of others in the league, the media, everyone.

Could you be correct that Nolan returns next year? Absolutely, but it will be a travesty. So much irreparable damage has been done to our franchise QB and the other players psyche and morale that I don't believe he's capable of gaining them back. It's just who he is. He's definitely a "it's my way or the highway" kind of guy and while that worked for a brief time while culling the bad players in the beginning, it's not a long term approach that will ever work in the NFL. Ever. Even hard nosed coaches that were great for eons have gone by the wayside because of their failure to communicate and manage players effectively in a strong yet caring manner. Parcells had great talent last season but his team encountered mishaps and turmoil because of the kind of coach he is.

The players at this level are men. They aren't going to be manipulated and pushed around and respond to that positively. This kiss and makeup aftermath between Nolan and Smith is another defining moment where the two are essentially jockeying for power not desiring to be portrayed as the bad guy. It's strategy and it will backfire at some point on one or both.

If I had to choose, I'd keep Smith and provide him with the support you mention above, only then will we know what he truly is as a QB. Nolan, we already know all there is to know.
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As Frasier Crane would say....

Oooh yeah, Thank you! Wink

2008 will hopefully be a better season.  Even if we had to go 6 and 10 next year, I'd rather beat the Eagles/Cowboys on our schedule then lowly teams.
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I believe Garrett will be the choice. I think the Head Coach should be an offensive mind, and nobody can deny Garrett fits the description. You bring in a GM, let him make the decisions, let him decide on what direction the coaching staff goes. If I was the GM, I would first fire Nolan, than I would put together a list of replacements. Let the candidates tell me what they will do to right the ship if given the chance to do so. Remember, most of the time a Head Coach will put together his own staff, but if you bring in Garrett, he will be the OC and play caller. We will not have to worry about Alex Smith going backwards in his development anymore. It will be either put up, or shut up for Alex and the rest of the players on offense.

This is also an important time for this franchise in another area, FREE AGENCY. If they do not make changes, no free agent will want to spend the next 5 years playing for a team projected to lose year in and year out. I am a die hard 49er fan, but I do not believe in Nolan anymore, or any of the offensive coaches. Changes have to take place, perios, hands down. This is the worst I have ever felt as a 49er fan in my whole life. I do not believe in anything they are doing on the football field.

One thing I would keep in place is Scott M. He has done a wonderful job scouting talent and setting us up for successful draft classes, with the exception of Alex Smith, but Alex has not had the protection of coaching to develop.

I am with TWINS PAPA on this one, bring in Garrett, a new GM, and let the 49ers at least be exciting again.

To make matters worse our top 3 pick will belong to New England, how sick is that.

Anybody who does that sort of trade and flushes their season down the crapper should be not only be fired, but get their head examined for doing such a STUPID trade!  If New England goes 16 and 0 and they get like the no. 1, it's going to be as ugly as the NBA's Orlando team getting the first pick via their lottery thing.  I think that was at the expense at the Golden State Warriors.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2007, 01:43:55 AM »
Garrett with the same players made the offense 10x better than what it was last year. We could make justifications about why this is what it is, but his offense is playing lights out
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2007, 01:50:24 AM »
Yes sir it is!
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Re: TIME TO CONSIDER THE "UNTHINKABLE"
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2007, 03:21:56 AM »
If Nolan stays, there will be a lot of people jumping ship from 49er land.

I'm also surprised that people want anything from the cowboys lol. but i dont blame them, they have what we want.
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Re: TIME TO CONSIDER THE "UNTHINKABLE"
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2007, 03:45:52 AM »
It's a dog eat cowboy world my friend! Wink
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2007, 05:27:59 AM »
29. Alex Smith
Injured starter, San Francisco 49ers
Boy, did Smith -- and for that matter, the entire San Francisco offense -- take a step backward this season. The "B word" is starting to get thrown around with regularity about this former No. 1 overall selection. He was extremely efficient in college and one of the brighter players in the league at his position. He is a well-above-average athlete, but just is not a very good passer and struggles to put enough velocity on his throws. Still, it's too early to say he's a bust considering he's been injured and doesn't get a lot of help from his his wide receivers and offensive line.

30. Aaron Rodgers
Backup, Green Bay Packers
Rodgers impressed many when he moved the Packers' offense in Dallas, but that enthusiasm must be tempered. The Cowboys didn't prepare for Rodgers and Dallas was playing with a lead. Let's see how he performs after defensive coordinators have more tape to evaluate. He is a sneaky athlete, though, with a quick and compact release. Surely he has learned a thing or two about playing the position from sharing a meeting room with Brett Favre.

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2007, 07:51:31 AM »
Quote from: westcoastguy on December 10, 2007, 11:12:11 AM
This team needs an experienced strong hand to pull this team out of the gutter. Ron Wolfe is my guy for the job, and I would be fine with Garrett as HC

That is a dream scenario .  I can't think of a combination that would make me happier .
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2007, 08:13:38 AM »