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« Reply #1260 on: June 18, 2008, 05:46:27 AM »
TIM,

The more competition you have, the better the players who make  the final 53.  That spot is pretty crucial...and if they really are moving Smith to OLB, it wouldn't hurt to have another TC body at DE.
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« Reply #1261 on: June 18, 2008, 06:22:39 AM »
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TIM,

The more competition you have, the better the players who make  the final 53.  That spot is pretty crucial...and if they really are moving Smith to OLB, it wouldn't hurt to have another TC body at DE.

Agree Cap. the more competition the better off we will be baby! Smiley
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« Reply #1262 on: June 18, 2008, 09:52:38 AM »
BTW Ramsey was one of the 13 players who visited the team before the 06 draft.

This what an avid Eagle fan said about Ramsey on an Eagles forum:
 
LaJuan Ramsey actually outperformed Bunkley during their rookie year. For whatever reason Ramsey didn't receive playing time over the second half of the season. With the way he played early during his rookie year I was excited to see LaJuan play but once I saw him play I became critical. He's big but he's lazy. He does two things you never want your lineman to do he doesn't use his hands and he stops his feet once he's engaged. I always doubt that you can change a guy's demeanor when they reach the NFL I hope a light flashes on for him. He has the atributes to be good, but not the demeanor.

This is his scouting report from the scouts notebook:

LaJuan Ramsey – DT - USC - 6'2, 293

Very quick off the ball. 3-technique DT. Can be very disruptive. Will pursue. Really hustles. Reminds you of a Paul Grasmanis type DT. Doesn’t play strong. More of a speed/quickness guy. Uses his hands to battle OL. Fights to get off blocks. Excellent motor. Good awareness. Sees the ball and gets to it. Almost made an impressiveTFL in the Rose Bowl. Shot off the ball. Stayed pretty low and got under the OL. Got into the backfield and got his arms on the RB, but could not bring him down. Great effort on the play. Could have made the tackle if he’d been able to square up on the RB. Instead, he hit him from the side.

Summary: Has a legitimate shot to make the team if he is active and disruptive in Training Camp. Never was able to break out in college, but could be a solid backup DT in the NFL.

Pro Day info: “6’2, 291. 32 reps. 4.93 in the 40. 32 inch vertical. 7.78 in the 3-cone drill.”

ESPN Scouting Report

Strengths: Possesses good initial burst, reads keys fairly well and gets into position quickly. Possesses good upper body strength and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Possesses adequate lower body strength and flashes the ability to anchor when teams run at him. Possesses adequate closing speed and flashes a variety of pass rush moves.

Weaknesses: Ramsey doesn't have elite size and he is inconsistent. Doesn't have great bulk, plays too high and has problems splitting double teams. Doesn't always use hands well and needs to continue to work on ability to shed blocks. Plays out of control and gets caught out of position. Though has good range for size doesn't give the same effort on every snap and isn't relentless in pursuit. Missed two games with a shoulder injury in 2003, underwent hernia surgery during the 2004 off-season and missed two games with an ankle injury in 2005.

Overall: Ramsey does a lot of things well but he isn't dominant in any one area, he isn't fundamentally sound and there are some concerns about his ability to stay healthy, which is why Ramsey grades out as a free agent prospect in the 2006 class.
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« Reply #1263 on: June 18, 2008, 12:23:07 PM »
Quote from: CapitolNiners on June 18, 2008, 05:46:27 AM
TIM,

The more competition you have, the better the players who make the final 53. That spot is pretty crucial...and if they really are moving Smith to OLB, it wouldn't hurt to have another TC body at DE.

I agree Cap,especially if they really are going to give Smith time at OLB.
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« Reply #1264 on: June 18, 2008, 01:48:54 PM »
Rams have planty to offer in Sims sweepstakes

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http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/013364.html

Needless to say all of us hope that we land him over the same sorry a Lips sealed Rams. Tongue
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« Reply #1265 on: June 18, 2008, 07:07:05 PM »
Everything that I read about Sims seems to indicate he is a penalty machine.........he would probably do us more good if he goes to the Rams! Why get rid of Kwame and pick up his twin brother in the same off season? Yeah I know Kwame cost us a lot more cheddar, but what does money matter when we are so far under the cap (unless your the owner).
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« Reply #1266 on: June 19, 2008, 05:35:18 AM »
Here is the reality of Sims.  When next to a very good Guard, he is a decent Tackle. When next to an average Guard, he is a below average Tackle.  This means one of two things and possibly both: 1) He needs help and a good guard can help his sorry butt out, 2) if he doesn't trust the guard next to him, he fails to focus on his own assignment. 

either way, he is a backup if he comes here and will probably go to the Rams...where they have average guards. :-)
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« Reply #1267 on: June 19, 2008, 07:24:33 AM »
Quote from: Oakland-Niner on June 18, 2008, 07:07:05 PM
Everything that I read about Sims seems to indicate he is a penalty machine.........he would probably do us more good if he goes to the Rams! Why get rid of Kwame and pick up his twin brother in the same off season? Yeah I know Kwame cost us a lot more cheddar, but what does money matter when we are so far under the cap (unless your the owner).

I feel the same way about Sims, but I also think we desperately need another OT on the roster for when the inevitable injury to JJ comes.  I just don't see any other options.
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« Reply #1268 on: June 19, 2008, 01:52:43 PM »
Quote from: KS_Niner on June 19, 2008, 07:24:33 AM
Quote from: Oakland-Niner on June 18, 2008, 07:07:05 PM
Everything that I read about Sims seems to indicate he is a penalty machine.........he would probably do us more good if he goes to the Rams! Why get rid of Kwame and pick up his twin brother in the same off season? Yeah I know Kwame cost us a lot more cheddar, but what does money matter when we are so far under the cap (unless your the owner).

I feel the same way about Sims, but I also think we desperately need another OT on the roster for when the inevitable injury to JJ comes. I just don't see any other options.

Wasn't it about Training Camp time when we picked up - Larry Allen?  Maybe someone gets cut worth picking up?
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« Reply #1269 on: June 19, 2008, 02:58:19 PM »
There won't be much to pick up this year I think- there's not many teams with very much cap trouble.
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« Reply #1270 on: June 20, 2008, 05:21:00 AM »
Good point Hoj.  - - - Im not sold on Simms, but if the opinion of him having a quailty guard next to him is true - then hope we land him. - (Synder can always slide to RT, but that should only be done as a last resort ) 
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« Reply #1271 on: June 20, 2008, 05:47:16 AM »
so, I have figured this out.  Tell me, I am not a genius!  Vernon Davis backs up at RT!  Sure, he will be outweighed by 50 to 100 pounds on occasion..but he is a beast!  (Note the sarcasm)
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« Reply #1272 on: June 20, 2008, 09:45:17 AM »
Free-agent offensive tackle Barry Sims is getting close to arriving at a decision on a team. The 49ers are very much in the mix with perhaps a 50-50 shot of landing the nine-year veteran. It might be decided tomorrow. The Ravens, Rams and Patriots were also vying for his services. (I know the math. If four teams are interested, the 49ers would technically have a 25-percent chance. But I'm sticking with the 50-50 odds.)

http://www.49ersparadise.com/cgi-bin/news/news.cgi?action=display&num=17559
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« Reply #1273 on: June 20, 2008, 06:07:01 PM »
Olivea suspended....?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Maybe this is why we didnt pick him up
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« Reply #1274 on: June 20, 2008, 06:36:33 PM »
For Sims, it's the Rams or 49ers

Barry Sims will use the weekend to decide where he will play next season, and as predicted, his top choices are the 49ers and Rams. The Patriots, who are relatively rich at the tackle position, have dropped out of the running for Sims' services while the Ravens are in third place.

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http://www.49ersparadise.com/cgi-bin/news/news.cgi?action=display&num=17569
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« Reply #1275 on: June 21, 2008, 09:48:09 AM »
CC: the latest on Olivea says that teams have known for quite a while that he was a drug user and already had 1 strike against him (hence the 4 game suspension for 2 strikes).  No wonder he didn't generate much interest. 

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« Reply #1276 on: June 21, 2008, 04:41:14 PM »
Free-agent offensive tackle Barry Sims will decide where to play this season by Monday morning, his agent, Ken Vierra, said just moments ago...

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2215384
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« Reply #1277 on: June 23, 2008, 10:55:09 AM »
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« Reply #1278 on: June 23, 2008, 10:59:02 AM »
Good to hear - he had to know he would eventually be the starter when JJ goes down again.

Maybe now we move Rachal back to OG?
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« Reply #1279 on: June 23, 2008, 11:01:23 AM »
KS I just read that Rachal will in fact be moved back to guard.   I am thrilled we landed Sims now we finally have a little depth at ORT.  He is also versatile enough to fill in at the OLT spot if Staley can't go.
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« Reply #1280 on: June 27, 2008, 09:41:31 AM »
» Offensive lineman LeCharles Bentley: Close to 10 teams have been tracking Bentley, charting to see his condition and, at this point, his pricetag. Teams that have expressed varying degrees of interest in Bentley include Buffalo, Cincinnati, Miami, Oakland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Francisco and Seattle. Each has a need along the offensive line, but no team’s offensive line needs are any greater than Miami’s and St. Louis’. The Rams efforted to sign former Raiders offensive tackle Barry Sims, but lost him to San Francisco. Early in July, Bentley might be the first player teams target when they return from a July 4 vacation.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story;jsessionid=393E2359A0425DA94CCC4D687734106E?id=09000d5d809069d9&template=with-video&confirm=true

Anybody think we are still interested after signing Sims?
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« Reply #1281 on: June 27, 2008, 10:48:43 AM »
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Anybody think we are still interested after signing Sims?
I would be very surprised if we are still in the running for his services.
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« Reply #1282 on: June 27, 2008, 11:21:29 AM »
I honestly say it would depend on their comfort at the guard position.  Lets be perfectly honest...Heitmann is a stop gap at Center and it will take some time to develop Wallace.  However, Heitmann is a pretty decent guard and if they feel he could back up at both Guard spots AND center...then going after Bentley to be our starting Center make sense.  If they are comfortable with the backups at guard (hell, I am not comfortable with our starters!) then Heitmann can hold down center for another year if Wallace is indeed the real deal.

That is...if Bentley is healthy.
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« Reply #1283 on: June 27, 2008, 12:10:50 PM »
KS: I don't see how our interest in Sims woudl have much to do with our interest in Bentley. We should still be after him.

it wouldn't shock me at all if we were still after Bentley.  I think we should be after him.  Heitmann's deal is up after this year, I think.  If Bentley can rebound from his injuries, he'd be a very good center.  If we can land him, we should.


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« Reply #1284 on: June 27, 2008, 12:23:32 PM »
I would not mind seeing us sign Bentley, I just don't know how realistic it is with Wallace being projected as the future at center.  He also will not come cheap... Could Wallace or LeCharles slide over to guard leaving the other at center?  If not then we are crowded at center and wasting a valuable roster spot.  The one thing I know is that Heitman is not the long term solution. 
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« Reply #1285 on: June 27, 2008, 12:34:18 PM »
D-roc - If we brought in Bentley, the idea would be to slide Heitmann out to Guard for the year.  Snyder, Baas, Rachal, Wragge and Heitmann competing for three spots...maybe four.  Heitmann would be an ideal guy seeing as he has experience at both guard spots and center, he could step in at any position if he didn't  win a starting job. 

All this is speculation.  If Bentley is healthy, there will be a bidding war we won't win.
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« Reply #1286 on: June 27, 2008, 12:41:10 PM »
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D-roc - If we brought in Bentley, the idea would be to slide Heitmann out to Guard for the year.  Snyder, Baas, Rachal, Wragge and Heitmann competing for three spots...maybe four.  Heitmann would be an ideal guy seeing as he has experience at both guard spots and center, he could step in at any position if he didn't  win a starting job. 

All this is speculation.  If Bentley is healthy, there will be a bidding war we won't win.

That would work for this year I just wonder what happens when Wallace (whom they seem to love, & raved about after we drafted him) is ready to start? 

Your right we won't get into a bidding war as the team seems content with Heitman (for now) grooming the rook.
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« Reply #1287 on: June 27, 2008, 12:43:17 PM »
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All this is speculation. If Bentley is healthy, there will be a bidding war we won't win.

I don't know Cap. It seems that whenever Scotty and company decide they want a player they have always been the highest bidder (at least recently). Even the players that went to other teams have reported turning down a higher offer from the Niners than the team that signed them (a player sometimes chooses a playoff caliber team over more money).
So ,if we go after him but don't get him it probably won't be because we lost out in a bidding war since we will probably be the top bidder , as we usually have been lately.
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« Reply #1288 on: June 27, 2008, 12:52:42 PM »
Your right T we do not usually fail when we really want to get someone signed.  I am just not sure we will go as hard after him as other teams will.  While we could use a better center then Heitman, it is not a critical need at this point and how much will they offer him coming off that knee and a pretty serious staph infection? 
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« Reply #1289 on: June 27, 2008, 04:42:27 PM »
Good posts guys.  You are all making me think about this one.

I know many in here aren't high on Heitmann and overdrafting Wallace would seem to indicate management isn't either.  But there is a huge difference between not being happy with your starter and liking a FA enough to bring him in.  Especially a guy with ?'s like Bentley.  Bentley was a good player the last time he was on the field, but that was what.... 2 years ago?  Its not likely he'll sign a one year prove it deal (at least not with us) - he would likely get better offers elsewhere (either better money or a better team).  I think we would have to buy him if we wanted him.  With the health issues, I am not sure how smart that is.

J - I guess my thought is that signing Sims gave us what we wanted - a backup OT as well as depth on the OL in general.  Signing Bentley would have accomplished the same by pushing Heitmann to OG and Snyder back to OT.  I'm also not sure how much they have to spend (in terms of cash - not cap space) after the Sims signing.  We may also be holding some cash back for Spikes, too.


TIM  - IF McNolan really wants the guy and IF the Yorks will write the check, than I agree we would sign him.  But I think their attitude towards Bentley will likely be similar to the stance they took with guys like Takeo Spikes, Allen Faneca, & Chris Hope (bidding what they think he's worth), rather than the one they took with Clements & Adalius Thomas (outbidding what others might offer).  As Cap indicated, its all about whether they decide they want the guy and how badly they want him.
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