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« Reply #1290 on: June 27, 2008, 05:20:08 PM »
KS ,  Cap :  I agree, with the injury history he is probably not enough of a sure thing for them to go full speed after him.
If he turns out to be healthy ,would you guys like to have him or would you rather save the $ for other things and keep Heitmann at Center for another year (while the kid gets ready )?
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« Reply #1291 on: June 28, 2008, 01:25:54 PM »

In my mind, the Sims signing is probably more important for how it impacts the long-term future of Rachal than the additional depth it provides at tackle this year (although, it's nice to have given the lack of depth there). My real question is this, however: If Rachal shines in camp, what are the odds Baas moves to center and starts over an aging Heitmann?

Heitmann aging? Dude's only 28! I would never bet against Heitmann. Remember, Heitmann was drafted with little fanfare, started 12 games his rookie season, many of them with a broken hand. He's been a starter ever since.

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« Reply #1292 on: June 29, 2008, 08:35:10 PM »
KS: I don't think signing Bentley would have any affect on Snyder.  It seems that the coaches really want to keep him at OG (something I don't completely understand). I do think the cash it'll take to sign Bentley is a consideration--no matter where he goes, he'll have to sign a deal that protects the team in case he can't play this year and they have to cut him in a year or so. Whether he'd sign such a deal here is the big question.  He'd be smarter to go to a team needing a center worse than we do--Miami, etc.
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« Reply #1293 on: June 30, 2008, 10:20:42 AM »
J:  you are prob right in that Snyder will likely stay at OG no matter what.

TIM:  I don't think I would break the bank for Bentley even if his knee checked out.  I'd have no problem giving him a low risk contract in order to upgrade our OC position, but anything more than that is too risky.  Should we sign him?  Yes, for the right contract.  Could we get him to sign that type of contract with this team?  Maybe, maybe not.  I wouldn't buy him just to "upgrade" the OC position when we still have other holes to address (pass rusher, permanent replacement for JJ, etc).


Heitmann is not great and he certainly is no road grader, but he has played well in the past.  To put the failings of last year's OL squarely on his shoulders isn't fair imo.  He was playing between a Larry Allen that was a swinging door at times and a Justin Smiley that never seemed to get comfortable playing next to new teammate Joe Staley.  I wouldn't even call him the weakest link in our OL right now - to me that is the RG position.  Heitmann is no where near a Sapolu or even a Newberry, but he's good enough that we shouldn't be throwing huge amounts of cash and cap space at a risky player like Bentley.
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« Reply #1294 on: June 30, 2008, 11:31:43 AM »
Quote from: D-roc on June 28, 2008, 01:25:54 PM
Heitmann aging? Dude's only 28! I would never bet against Heitmann. Remember, Heitmann was drafted with little fanfare, started 12 games his rookie season, many of them with a broken hand. He's been a starter ever since.

Starting is a relative measure...it is a measure of talent only so much as it depends on what the level of depth is, or who the competition is with at a position.  Ahmed Plummer and Andre Carter were a rookie starters, too...but does that doesn't mean they were good enough.  Heck, when I look back over the past several decades, Heitman doesn't even compare to Randy Cross, Jesse Sapolu and Jeremy Newberry.  That is how you measure a player's talent, and not by whether or not they have had the good fortune to start a lot of games because there has been questionable talent.  If Heitman had come in and beaten out a healthy Newberry, then he would get credit.  But, when you are handed a start because of injuries or limited depth, then it just isn't sufficient to point to starts.  Heck, Alex Smith has started a lot of games and we all know the 49ers want more out of the QB position.  So, it is conceivible that the front office would like Bentley to upgrade the center position if healthy.
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« Reply #1295 on: June 30, 2008, 01:37:00 PM »
KS :  I agree with TANK that just because Heitmann  has started doesn't mean he is starting Center caliber.  I also agree with you that he is not horrible and has played well at times in the past. But if there is a chance to bring in a vet that is proven,then I am sure Alex (or whoever) would be happy not to have a pass rush coming up the middle in his face a half a second after he takes the snap.
I just think that he is a weakness on the O line because he seems to get pushed backwards far too often during pass protection . I have been saying for a couple of years now that I wished he would put on some weight and also get stronger so perhaps he could eliminate that weak part of his game . He PROBABLY would be better at Guard,unless he finally matures this year into a stronger Center.
Now,having said all that,I doubt they spend BIG $ to bring in Heitmann's replacement. I don't think they are THAT upset with his play overall.

And from what I hear I don't think Baas has much chance to replace Heitmann (this year). I thought he was the Center of the future when they drafted him but it looks like he is the starting RG ,so it looks like the rookie may be the future at Center IF Heitmann doesn't knock their socks off this year.
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« Reply #1296 on: June 30, 2008, 02:40:40 PM »
Quote from: TIM on June 30, 2008, 01:37:00 PM
Now,having said all that,I doubt they spend BIG $ to bring in Heitmann's replacement. I don't think they are THAT upset with his play overall.

I agree - that's all I was trying to say.
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« Reply #1297 on: July 01, 2008, 06:14:27 AM »
I am totally confused...it seems everyone...agrees?  Can that happen on the dise?  Someone check the bylaws on this for me.  If need to be to maintain proper code of conduct, I can post an argumentative position eventhough...I agree.  wow, this is weird.
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« Reply #1298 on: July 01, 2008, 06:16:04 AM »
Quote from: CapitolNiners on July 01, 2008, 06:14:27 AM
I am totally confused...it seems everyone...agrees?  Can that happen on the dise?  Someone check the bylaws on this for me.  If need to be to maintain proper code of conduct, I can post an argumentative position eventhough...I agree.  wow, this is weird.

Cap., don't read anything into it it is only the "calm before the storm" when TC arrives it will once again get heated in here! Smiley
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« Reply #1299 on: July 01, 2008, 01:08:35 PM »
Quote from: TIM on June 27, 2008, 12:43:17 PM
Quote from: CapitolNiners on June 27, 2008, 12:34:18 PM


All this is speculation. If Bentley is healthy, there will be a bidding war we won't win.

I don't know Cap. It seems that whenever Scotty and company decide they want a player they have always been the highest bidder (at least recently). Even the players that went to other teams have reported turning down a higher offer from the Niners than the team that signed them (a player sometimes chooses a playoff caliber team over more money).
So ,if we go after him but don't get him it probably won't be because we lost out in a bidding war since we will probably be the top bidder , as we usually have been lately.
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D-roc - If we brought in Bentley, the idea would be to slide Heitmann out to Guard for the year. Snyder, Baas, Rachal, Wragge and Heitmann competing for three spots...maybe four. Heitmann would be an ideal guy seeing as he has experience at both guard spots and center, he could step in at any position if he didn't win a starting job.

All this is speculation. If Bentley is healthy, there will be a bidding war we won't win.

 
I don't see any kind of serious bidding war for a player who was released due to a mulititude of injuries. He'll get better than the vet minimum but nobody is going to break the bank to get him. If anybody does they're welcome to him.
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« Reply #1300 on: July 01, 2008, 07:29:26 PM »
Sims' contract: two years, $4.2 million
The 49ers do not figure to pursue any other offensive linemen before training camp after signing veteran tackle Barry Sims to a two-year contract last week.

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« Reply #1301 on: July 02, 2008, 07:07:31 AM »
It might be a little high if he does not win the starting job but money well spent nonetheless. 
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« Reply #1302 on: July 05, 2008, 02:42:57 AM »
Quote from: D-roc on July 02, 2008, 07:07:31 AM
It might be a little high if he does not win the starting job but money well spent nonetheless. 
Compare it with what Kwame signed for with the Raiders and it is a bargain  Wink
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« Reply #1303 on: July 05, 2008, 06:04:57 AM »
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Quote from: D-roc on July 02, 2008, 07:07:31 AM
It might be a little high if he does not win the starting job but money well spent nonetheless. 
Compare it with what Kwame signed for with the Raiders and it is a bargain  Wink

How much did Kwame get Grid.?
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« Reply #1304 on: July 05, 2008, 10:54:57 AM »
It's something like 3 years, 16 million.

But I think only 3 million is guaranteed.
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« Reply #1305 on: July 05, 2008, 01:22:34 PM »
I did not consider how much was guaranteed  Embarrassed so they may not be so far apart after all but we did get veteran help cheaper than what Kwame would have signed for  Lips sealed and the love for Kwame had died out anyway.
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« Reply #1306 on: July 05, 2008, 01:38:13 PM »
Every report I read said that the Raiders overpaid big time for Harris and that they gave way more than we gave to Sims. Although neither of them seem to be top caliber starters it looks to me that sims is far Superior to Harris in just about every way. If it were a straight up trade with the Raiders then it would look like the Niners took the Raiders to the cleaners. But just getting rid of Harris was a victory for us and on top of that we seem to have picked up a good backup tackle and saved a load of money in the process !
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« Reply #1307 on: July 05, 2008, 08:59:09 PM »
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It's something like 3 years, 16 million.

But I think only 3 million is guaranteed.


Thanks Doc., we got the better deal + tax.
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« Reply #1308 on: July 20, 2008, 12:42:46 PM »
LB Spikes talking to Lions
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Two-time Pro Bowl linebacker Takeo Spikes visited the Lions this week, a Lions official confirmed to the Free Press. Spikes is a free agent after he was released by the Philadelphia Eagles in March
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« Reply #1309 on: July 21, 2008, 06:31:53 PM »
KNBR was reporting something today about talks going on right now that might have free agent  Larry Allen returning for another year ?  I hope not,I think it is time to move on.
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« Reply #1310 on: July 21, 2008, 10:41:13 PM »
Are you kidding me?
we would welcome a legand at the position that we need most! O-line!
Come on back Allen!
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« Reply #1311 on: July 22, 2008, 02:19:19 AM »
49ers veteran guard Allen considering playing next season
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SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan said he believes guard Larry Allen might consider postponing his retirement to return for his 15th NFL season.

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« Reply #1312 on: July 22, 2008, 04:51:41 AM »
I'm with Lawson here - Just having Allen as part of the line is plus!  But this late in the game and career, I think he would be better served as a back-up...Who knows, maybe he convinces BY to come back too? Did BY ever officially retire?
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« Reply #1313 on: July 22, 2008, 06:50:49 AM »
I am not sure if B.Y. submitted his retirement papers to the league yet or not Cbass.   B.Y. does not seem like the type of guy who would "waffle" on retirement.  I am sure he took his time making this decision and would be surprised if he changed his mind. 

As far as Big L.A. goes I get the impression that the team wants to get younger and has moved on. 
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« Reply #1314 on: July 22, 2008, 07:38:21 AM »
D-Roc - That's a good point about the team moving forward and making room/ developing younger players – though I understand, it’s just hard for me to believe we pass on Allen...
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D-Roc - That's a good point about the team moving forward and making room/ developing younger players – though I understand, it’s just hard for me to believe we pass on Allen...

Then again I could be wrong & it would not be the first time!

RE: Have you heard from Larry Allen?
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RE: Anyone else from the organization heard from Larry Allen?
“He did call George Warhop a week or two ago just to express his interest, but I have had a few calls into him that I have not heard back from him. I don’t know, I think that he’s just going to leave everything up to his agent. A year ago, I did have a considerable amount of conversation with him, but this year it’s been different. Now last year he was on our roster; this year he’s not so he doesn’t have to call me, obviously.” - Mike Nolan

RE: Is he out of the picture with the 49ers?
“I don’t think so, I really don’t. I just think that because he’s a free agent he’s left a lot of that up to his agent more than anything else. Larry and I have a pretty good relationship, at least we had, and I think that he would agree the same. I think that he’s probably put it in someone else’s hands, which I can understand.” - Mike Nolan

RE: Has he expressed interest in playing again this season?
“He has, but to what degree I am not sure because it wasn’t a conversation with me. But I think that there is interest by him to play. As he did a year ago, it’s probably a little more in-depth and there’s a little more to him this year. I think that his family is involved, as they also were a year ago.” - Mike Nolan

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« Reply #1316 on: July 22, 2008, 12:17:46 PM »
all that being said, allen is a toss-up, andwould serve as a back-up/mentor role.

but i think we need to up are offer to spikes and give hime the 2-year/$5 million deal he wants!
you can never have a to many linebackers in a 3-4 and he is a lock for starting ted!
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« Reply #1317 on: July 22, 2008, 03:08:37 PM »
I'd welcome Allen back, but as a backup. Nolan would have to make it clear coming in that Allen has to clearly be the better LG or else he's riding the pine.

B/c of that, Allen will stay retired or a FA or whatever he is.  I can't imagine him coming back as a backup.
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« Reply #1318 on: July 22, 2008, 09:30:53 PM »
IF he came back and IF he won the starting job, then who gets cuts instead ?
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« Reply #1319 on: July 22, 2008, 10:02:15 PM »
Quote from: cervant on July 22, 2008, 09:30:53 PM
IF he came back and IF he won the starting job, then who gets cuts instead ?

I would put money on Duckett in that scenario as Snyder would likely shift back to OT with Allen & Baas starting at OG and Wragge & Rachal backing them up.

Personally, I don't want Allen back as anything other than a backup / situational player.  The memory of his bad play through our first 11 games last year hasn't been erased by his improved play in the last 5 games.
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